Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

From	David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?
Date	2023-11-15 21:00 +0100
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On Wed 15 Nov 2023 at 20:01:20 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2023-11-15 18:06:45 +0000, Tixy wrote:
> > On Wed, 2023-11-15 at 18:15 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > On 2023-11-15 16:39:15 -0000, Curt wrote:
> > > > On 2023-11-14, Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > The base number is the same, but I would have thought that this other
> > > > > kernel might have additional patches.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > That's why I suggested ignoring the message.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Then why does reportbug mention the bullseye-backports kernel?
> > > > 
> > > > Because it kind of looks newer if you're a not very bright software
> > > > construct, he opined.
> > > 
> > > But the bookworm-backports kernel is even newer.
> > > So why not this one?
> > 
> > Because it's a different package?
> 
> There is no guarantee that a package with the same name in a
> different distribution has the same meaning (because packages
> get renamed...). So I would say that this is not a good reason.

Well, it would seem strange to provide a backport for a package
and call it by a different name. But with kernels, there's always
the problem of a myriad of slightly different versions, so a
fuzzy name match might be appropriate.

> But I'm still wondering where reportbug gets this particular
> version 6.1.55+1~bpo11+1, as it is not in bullseye-backports.

I just downloaded /debian/dists/bullseye-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz
(2023-11-02 13:59 395K), and it contains:

$ zgrep -A3 '^Package: linux-image' Packages.xz | paste - - - - - | sed 's/Package: //;s/\tSource:/ src/;s/\tVersion:/ ver/;s/\tInstalled-Size:/ isize/;s/\t--//'
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-amd64-dbg src linux ver 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 isize 6336657
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-amd64-unsigned src linux ver 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 isize 499959
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-cloud-amd64-dbg src linux ver 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 isize 2051897
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-cloud-amd64-unsigned src linux ver 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 isize 145318
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-rt-amd64-dbg src linux ver 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 isize 6404909
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-rt-amd64-unsigned src linux ver 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 isize 518751
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64-dbg src linux ver 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 isize 6340686
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64-unsigned src linux ver 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 isize 499954
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-cloud-amd64-dbg src linux ver 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 isize 2051852
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-cloud-amd64-unsigned src linux ver 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 isize 145473
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-rt-amd64-dbg src linux ver 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 isize 6409844
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-rt-amd64-unsigned src linux ver 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 isize 518558
linux-image-amd64-dbg src linux ver 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 isize 13
linux-image-amd64-signed-template src linux ver 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 isize 3884
linux-image-cloud-amd64-dbg src linux ver 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 isize 13
linux-image-rt-amd64-dbg src linux ver 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 isize 13
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-amd64 src linux-signed-amd64 (6.1.38+4~bpo11+1) ver 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 isize 501754
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-cloud-amd64 src linux-signed-amd64 (6.1.38+4~bpo11+1) ver 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 isize 145823
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.11-rt-amd64 src linux-signed-amd64 (6.1.38+4~bpo11+1) ver 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 isize 520577
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.9-amd64 src linux-signed-amd64 (6.1.27+1~bpo11+1) ver 6.1.27-1~bpo11+1 isize 501563
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.9-cloud-amd64 src linux-signed-amd64 (6.1.27+1~bpo11+1) ver 6.1.27-1~bpo11+1 isize 145610
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.9-rt-amd64 src linux-signed-amd64 (6.1.27+1~bpo11+1) ver 6.1.27-1~bpo11+1 isize 520274
linux-image-amd64 src linux-signed-amd64 (6.1.38+4~bpo11+1) ver 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 isize 13
linux-image-cloud-amd64 src linux-signed-amd64 (6.1.38+4~bpo11+1) ver 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 isize 13
linux-image-rt-amd64 src linux-signed-amd64 (6.1.38+4~bpo11+1) ver 6.1.38-4~bpo11+1 isize 13
$ 

so there do appear to be 6.1.55-1~bpo11+1 candidates, like
linux-image-6.1.0-0.deb11.13-amd64-unsigned.

I don't know how reportbug operates; nor do I know how to
drive madison—perhaps it's seeing the third from last line.
But I'm not sure why you're making such an issue out of
reportbug's harmless suggestion to check whether you're
up-to-date.

Cheers,
David.

Thread

Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-14 13:10 +0100
  Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-14 13:40 +0100
  Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-11-14 18:00 +0100
    Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-14 22:30 +0100
      Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-14 22:40 +0100
        Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-14 23:10 +0100
          Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 04:20 +0100
            Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-15 18:10 +0100
          Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2023-11-15 09:00 +0100
            Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-15 18:20 +0100
          Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2023-11-15 17:40 +0100
            Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-15 18:20 +0100
              Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2023-11-15 19:10 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-15 20:10 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-11-15 21:00 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-16 13:10 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-11-16 21:10 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-17 13:40 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-11-18 07:30 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-18 23:30 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-11-19 06:50 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2023-11-17 15:10 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-11-18 07:30 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2023-11-18 15:20 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? steve <dlist@bluewin.ch> - 2023-11-18 15:40 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-11-19 06:50 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-18 23:40 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-11-19 06:50 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-20 11:20 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-11-21 04:40 +0100
                Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net> - 2023-11-16 13:30 +0100
  Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm? Tim Woodall <debianuser@woodall.me.uk> - 2023-11-19 06:00 +0100

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