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Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)

From Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.bugs.dist, linux.debian.devel
Subject Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited)
Date 2023-05-15 03:00 +0200
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On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:24:15AM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>On Sun, 14 May 2023 at 22:37, Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org> wrote:
>
>> The x86-64 ABI is set. Feel free to make the case to the next
>> architecture designer that their new ABI should have the dynamic linker
>> in `/usr/lib`. That would *not* have the same downsides, as long as
>> everyone agrees on a path.
>
>In practice it is not, though. There are other distributions that
>change PT_INTERP for their own purposes, they've already been listed
>in this thread. And I am still not hearing any concrete, factual use
>case that would be impaired by such a change. I'm beginning to
>seriously think there aren't any? Is that really the case?

The ABI has been agreed and set down in documentation that *just
about* everybody has been following since its inception. This includes
the most basic set of definitions of what an x86-64 program must look
like, including the interpreter path. If this path is changed, then
*at the most basic level* we'd be making programs that are not valid
by the ABI we've agreed to. This is an *external interface contract*,
not something we should ever consider changing without significant
cross- and inter-project discussion.

Pointing at gentoo or nixos as examples of projects that have decided
to break compatibility doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. They're well known
for changing fundamental things around Linux and (basically) not
caring about interoperability. That attitude is *not* Debian's.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
 English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on
 occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them
 unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."  -- James D. Nicoll

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Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-11 00:00 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-11 00:50 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-18 19:30 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org> - 2023-05-11 12:40 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-11 14:30 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-11 20:00 +0200
      Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 14:30 +0200
        Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 15:10 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2023-05-25 14:10 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-12 07:50 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-12 10:50 +0200
      Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 12:00 +0200
        Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-12 12:50 +0200
          Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 13:00 +0200
          Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-12 13:20 +0200
            Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 14:20 +0200
              Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-12 16:40 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 17:40 +0200
              Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 01:30 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Peter Pentchev <roam@ringlet.net> - 2023-05-15 02:10 +0200
                Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 02:30 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 02:20 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 02:50 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-15 03:10 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 03:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 04:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 17:30 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 03:50 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-15 03:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 07:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com> - 2023-05-15 15:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 15:20 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com> - 2023-05-15 18:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 18:20 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com> - 2023-05-15 18:30 +0200
                Bug#1035904: What does merged /usr bring us Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 20:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: What does merged /usr bring us Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 20:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: What does merged /usr bring us Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 20:50 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 19:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2023-05-15 15:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 16:50 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 20:40 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-05-15 20:00 +0200
    Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 04:00 +0200
      Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems  (revisited) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-05-16 10:30 +0200
        Re: Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-17 01:50 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Roger Lynn <usenet@rilynn.me.uk> - 2023-05-17 22:50 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-18 20:00 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 20:20 +0200
      Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-18 20:30 +0200
        Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 20:40 +0200
          Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Matthias Klumpp <matthias@tenstral.net> - 2023-05-18 21:20 +0200
          Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Arnaud Rebillout <arnaudr@debian.org> - 2023-05-19 05:20 +0200
      Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 21:10 +0200
        Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 21:30 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-19 16:40 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-21 16:30 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-21 17:00 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-21 17:00 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-06-07 06:40 +0200
  Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-06-13 21:20 +0200
    Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> - 2023-06-13 22:10 +0200
      Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-06-13 22:30 +0200

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