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Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg

From Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de>
Newsgroups linux.debian.maint.dpkg, linux.debian.devel
Subject Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg
Date 2023-04-22 13:00 +0200
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Hi Luca,

On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 03:29:33PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> After Bookworm ships I plan to propose a policy change to the CTTE and
> policy maintainers to forbid shipping files in the legacy directories
> altogether, followed by a debhelper change to adjust any stragglers
> automatically at build time and a mass rebuild, plus MBF for the small
> % that does not use dh and a piuparts test to stop migration for
> anything that is uploaded and doesn't comply. That should bring the
> matter to an end, without needing to modify dpkg.

I agree with the goal of removing aliases by moving files to their
canonical locations. However, I do not quite see us getting there in the
way you see it, but maybe I am missing something. As long as dpkg does
not understand the effects of aliasing, we cannot safely move those
files and thus the file move moratorium will have to be kept in place.
And while moving the files would bring the matter to an end, we cannot
do so without either modifying dpkg or rolling back the transition and
starting over. I hope that we all agree that rolling back would be too
insane to even consider, but I fail to see how you safely move files
without dpkg being changed. Can you elaborate on that aspect?

I'd also be interested on how you plan to move important files in
essential packages. This is an aspect raised by Simon Richter and where
I do not see an obvious answer yet.

Helmut

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DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-03 14:10 +0200
  Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2023-04-08 04:40 +0200
    Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-22 13:00 +0200
    Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-22 13:00 +0200
      Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2023-06-21 13:40 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-06-21 16:30 +0200
          Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2023-07-10 11:30 +0200
  Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-04-21 14:20 +0200
    Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <luca.boccassi@gmail.com> - 2023-04-21 16:50 +0200
      Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-04-22 12:50 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <luca.boccassi@gmail.com> - 2023-04-22 14:30 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-04-26 15:20 +0200
          Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-27 00:50 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-27 15:40 +0200
      Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-22 13:00 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <luca.boccassi@gmail.com> - 2023-04-22 14:30 +0200
          Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-25 21:10 +0200
            Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-04-25 22:40 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-04-26 15:20 +0200
            Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-04-26 11:20 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-04-26 11:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2023-04-26 18:30 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-05-02 12:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-02 15:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-05-03 10:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-03 12:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-03 20:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-04 19:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2023-05-05 11:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-05 14:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2023-05-05 18:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 00:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 07:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 14:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 17:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 18:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-06 21:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 21:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-06 21:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-06 23:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2023-05-07 01:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-07 13:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2023-05-08 20:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-09 03:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-09 06:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-09 13:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-07 08:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-07 09:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-07 11:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-07 13:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 05:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 14:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 14:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2023-05-10 17:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-10 21:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-10 23:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-10 23:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2023-05-10 23:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-11 00:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org> - 2023-05-11 12:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-11 14:30 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-11 20:00 +0200
                Re: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 14:20 +0200
                Re: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 17:10 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 14:30 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-12 15:10 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2023-05-25 14:10 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-21 16:30 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-21 17:00 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-06-07 06:40 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-06-13 21:20 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> - 2023-06-13 22:10 +0200
                Bug#1035904: dpkg currently warning about merged-usr systems (revisited) Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-06-13 22:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-26 08:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2023-05-26 09:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2023-05-26 10:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-26 10:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> - 2023-05-26 11:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-07 14:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-07 16:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-07 23:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 03:30 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-08 11:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 23:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-09 03:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-08 21:10 +0200
                booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support  for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-17 11:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2023-05-17 11:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2023-05-17 12:20 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-17 12:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-17 19:20 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 08:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-18 11:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-05-19 02:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-05-19 13:10 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-17 19:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-06-08 10:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-06-08 12:10 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2023-06-09 09:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-06-09 12:00 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-06-09 12:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Bjørn Mork <bjorn@mork.no> - 2023-06-09 13:10 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2023-06-09 13:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2023-06-09 17:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-06-09 15:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2023-06-09 17:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-06-09 18:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) HW42 <hw42@ipsumj.de> - 2023-06-09 22:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems (was: Re: DEP 17: Improve  support for directory aliasing in dpkg) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-06-10 07:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2023-06-10 08:40 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2023-06-10 09:00 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-06-10 10:50 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2023-06-10 19:30 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-06-10 21:00 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2023-06-11 23:20 +0200
                Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-06-27 21:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg David Kalnischkies <david@kalnischkies.de> - 2023-05-03 15:10 +0200
            Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2023-04-26 16:50 +0200
            Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-27 00:50 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-04-27 08:00 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-28 10:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-04-28 11:40 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2023-04-28 12:00 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> - 2023-04-29 02:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2023-05-02 17:40 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-04-28 14:10 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-28 15:50 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Marvin Renich <mrvn@renich.org> - 2023-04-29 20:20 +0200
                Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-29 22:20 +0200
              Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-28 22:20 +0200
      Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-02 15:00 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-02 15:10 +0200
        Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-05-02 16:00 +0200
    Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-22 13:00 +0200
  Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-04-21 15:10 +0200
    Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2023-04-21 19:30 +0200
    Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2023-04-22 13:00 +0200
      Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2023-04-22 15:50 +0200
      Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-04-24 11:40 +0200

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