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Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin?

From Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin?
Date 2023-04-09 00:20 +0200
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Hello,

On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 08:20:36PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> 1.00 is best, higher numbers indicate wastefulness.
> 
> C has 1.00 for energy consumption and for processing time.
> For memory needs it's at rank 3 with 1.17.
> Perl has 79.58 for energy (rank 27 of 27), 65.79 for time (rank 25),
> 6.62 for memory (rank 23).
> Python has 71.90 for energy (rank 26), 71.90 for time (rank 26),
> 2.80 for memory (rank 12).

It is almost as if one small set of metrics aren't enough to decide,
for everyone, in every case, which language should be used!

Similarly, the idea posted in this thread to objectively quantify
every feature a language can possibly have and then see which one
has the most, so we can dub that language "the best": This ignores
the fact that people have been doing research for 50+ years into
creating the academically perfect programming language. Even if any
group of people COULD agree objectively on those metrics, what
succeeds in the marketplace of ideas (and indeed, the literal
marketplace) would not be determined by those metrics alone.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be useful or interesting, but it's an
extremely narrow view of human behaviour.

Cheers,
Andy

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Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? coreyh@free.fr - 2023-04-02 11:00 +0200
  Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-02 11:10 +0200
  Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 11:30 +0200
    Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2023-04-02 11:50 +0200
    Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-03 00:20 +0200
    Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Steve Sobol <steve@LobosStudios.com> - 2023-04-03 00:20 +0200
  Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2023-04-02 18:40 +0200
    Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-02 18:40 +0200
      Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 19:20 +0200
        Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-04-02 20:50 +0200
          Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 21:00 +0200
            Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 21:20 +0200
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        Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-04-02 22:50 +0200
      Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-04-03 01:20 +0200
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        Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? coreyh@free.fr - 2023-04-03 06:30 +0200
          Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-04-03 06:50 +0200
            Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? coreyh@free.fr - 2023-04-03 07:00 +0200
          Re: Is perl still the No.1 language for sysadmin? Stanislav Vlasov <stanislav.v.v@gmail.com> - 2023-04-03 08:50 +0200
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