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| From | davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back |
| Date | 2023-03-27 11:10 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <GdR1v-fpRL-1@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 Jesper Dybdal wrote:
> Thanks a lot for the responses.
It is a confusing mystery!
> I'm still in doubt as to what to do.
I notice that according to your posted output from the commands,
apt-get -Vs remove {w3m,guile-2.2-libs}
that both packages now appear to be up-to-date, relative to the
versions current in bullseye:
https://www.dybdal.dk/bullseye/apt-get-Vs-remove-w3m.txt
[...]
The following packages will be REMOVED:
w3m (0.5.3+git20210102-6)
https://www.dybdal.dk/bullseye/apt-get-Vs-remove-guile.txt
[...]
The following packages will be REMOVED:
guile-2.2-libs (2.2.7+1-6)
libmailutils7 (1:3.10-3+b1)
mailutils (1:3.10-3+b1)
> One thing I forgot to mention yesterday, but which I now think may
> be correlated with this problem, is that yesterday's upgrade
> mysteriously removed roundcube. I have no idea why, and I want it
> back, but that is not particularly urgent. I wonder if roundcube
> could have some dependencies that influence the other problem.
Even on my good days, your guess is probably better than mine. And in
my present state of confusion, I will decline to speculate. :D
> I have saved the responses to some of your suggested commands; they
> may not be interesting,
They were.
> but just in case, they are available at
> https://www.dybdal.dk/bullseye
> with links in the text below.
Yes, I was curious. Thank you.
> On 2023-03-26 13:17, davidson wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 Jesper Dybdal wrote:
[trimmed]
>> $ apt-mark showauto | grep -xE 'guile-2.2-libs|w3m'
By the way, I learned today that the same output can be had more
simply with
$ apt-mark showauto guile-2.2-libs w3m
[trimmed]
>>> My sources.list contains only bullseye and bullseye-backports.
>>
>> Today it does.
>>
>> But the day before yesterday, I gather it was Buster's Last Stand.
>
> Indeed. And at that time, sources.list contained just buster and
> buster-backports.
By the way, does your sources.list really have no line for security
updates? Nothing like this one?
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main non-free
[trimmed]
>> FIRST OPTION:
[trimmed]
>> # aptitude search '~o'
>> # aptitude purge '~o'
>>
>> I guess you could try that search command above, first. And then if
>> you don't care about purging the obsolete packages it lists, then I
>> guess you could purge them, to see if that permits you to upgrade
>> these two packages that you never knew you had installed, and never
>> explicitly asked for.
>
> The search command gives a list of 108 packages, which I'm somewhat
> reluctant to purge.
>
> Output in https://www.dybdal.dk/bullseye/aptitude-search-obsolete.txt
I do not use aptitude at all, and therefore know nothing about it. So
do not construe the next bit as advice.
In the absence of a particular reason to keep around a package which
won't receive updates (security or otherwise) during a system
release's lifetime, I am personally inclined to purge it, one way or
another. (Not with aptitude, though, because I don't know the first
thing about how to keep it from doing things I don't want done.)
Sometimes there are reasons to keep them, of course.
And I hear that some people don't even need reasons, if you can
believe this. They just do whatever they want!
>> SECOND OPTION:
[trim]
>>
>> $ apt-get -Vs remove w3m
>
> That gives a list of 129 packages that "were automatically installed
> and are no longer required" but as I understand it, it will remove
> only w3m, not those 129 packages.
True. APT is just keeping you informed.
> Output in https://www.dybdal.dk/bullseye/apt-get-Vs-remove-w3m.txt
Comparing the autoremoval list in the output above to your list of
obsolete packages
https://www.dybdal.dk/bullseye/aptitude-search-obsolete.txt
it looks like among those 129 packages, that
# apt-get autoremove
would remove many (about 46?) of the obsolete packages.
You can use
# apt-mark manual favorite-package1 favorite-package2 ...
to keep favorite-packages from being autoremoved.
>> and
>>
>> $ apt-get -Vs guile-2.2-libs
I have resisted the compulsion to correct my own typo in the above
command.
> That gives first a list of 134 packages, and then:
It baffles me that the number of packages suggested for autoremoval is
different, between guile-2.2-libs and w3m.
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> guile-2.2-libs (2.2.7+1-6)
> libmailutils7 (1:3.10-3+b1)
> mailutils (1:3.10-3+b1)
>
> I am not quite certain that I do not use or will use mailutils.
To me, those mailutils package versions look up-to-date for bullseye
now, as does guile-2.2-libs!
[trim]
>>> apt list says:
>>>> guile-2.2-libs/stable 2.2.7+1-6 amd64 [upgradable from:
>>>> 2.2.4+1-2+deb10u1]
>>>> guile-2.2-libs/now 2.2.4+1-2+deb10u1 amd64 [installed,upgradable to:
>>>> 2.2.7+1-6]
>>>>
>>>> w3m/stable 0.5.3+git20210102-6 amd64 [upgradable from: 0.5.3-37]
>>>> w3m/now 0.5.3-37 amd64 [installed,upgradable to: 0.5.3+git20210102-6]
(Above excerpt left untrimmed for easy comparison with more recent output.)
[trimmed discussion of mailutils]
> But perhaps I will try to install the lost roundcube again first,
> and see if it changes the state.
>
> Does that sound sensible?
Sure.
> Again thanks for your help,
It's been very interesting. Have a good week.
--
Hackers are free people. They are like artists. If they are in a good
mood, they get up in the morning and begin painting their pictures.
-- Vladimir Putin
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