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Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

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On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 09:13:22AM +0100, DdB wrote:
> Am 24.03.2023 um 12:32 schrieb coreyh@free.fr:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library?
> > today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with
> > rich/colorful interactive views.

[...]

> Well, how do you call messages, that provoke troll replies?

[...]

I think you are being too harsh here. Such a question may come
genuinely from someone who hasn't experienced the power of the
CLI, which, once you've taken the firs step gently takes you
to small one-liners, little loops and bigger and bigger programs.

It has this seamless "growth path" which helps and entices
its users to get better, something I miss from most GUIs, which
rather tend to degrade the user to a click machine. I don't
know whether this is inherent to GUIs or just the current
"social convention" underlying actual GUIs. One might argue
that corporations having promoted the first widespread GUIs
(Microsoft, Apple, etc) have some interest in keeping their
users dependent.

Whatever.

But what the OP gets right is: this "first step" to be taken
is a steep one (I've seen more than enough smart people fight
with that). I wish we had the stamina and creativity to help
people over that "first step", and having some kind of low
level GUI with a soft transition to CLI could be really a
helpful tool there.

That wouldn't be totally new. In the late 1970ies and early
1980ies (the times of Scheme, Smalltalk and so on) there was
this idea that software had to have a pedagogical component
enabling their users to "grow" if they wished so. Smalltalk's
GUI was composable in ways very few GUIs are today, showing
off characteristics you only find in CLIs these days.

What happened to this?

Anyway, back to the topic: I think you are being unjust by
calling troll on this one. I may be wrong, but I recommend
applying Hanlon's razor.

Cheers
-- 
t

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should CLI have a nice UI today? coreyh@free.fr - 2023-03-24 12:40 +0100
  Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2023-03-24 12:50 +0100
  Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-03-24 13:00 +0100
    Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Tom <tom@virta.be> - 2023-03-24 17:00 +0100
      Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Javier Barroso <javibarroso@gmail.com> - 2023-03-25 23:40 +0100
    Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Tom <tom@virta.be> - 2023-03-24 17:10 +0100
  Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2023-03-24 16:20 +0100
  Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2023-03-24 21:40 +0100
    Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2023-03-25 00:20 +0100
  Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-03-24 22:30 +0100
    Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-03-24 22:50 +0100
    Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-03-25 07:40 +0100
  Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-03-25 11:10 +0100
    Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-03-29 16:00 +0200
      Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2023-03-29 16:10 +0200
        Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-03-29 16:30 +0200
          Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2023-03-29 16:50 +0200
            Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-03-29 17:10 +0200
          Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-03-30 13:10 +0200
        Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2023-03-29 16:50 +0200
          Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2023-03-29 17:20 +0200
            Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? debian-user@howorth.org.uk - 2023-03-30 16:50 +0200
              Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2023-03-30 17:40 +0200
              Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2023-03-31 03:50 +0200
  Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> - 2023-03-30 07:50 +0200
  Re: should CLI have a nice UI today? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2023-03-30 09:30 +0200

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