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Re: Evolving away from source package realms

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Hello,

On Sun, 23 Oct 2022, Didier Raboud wrote:
> (Sorry for the delay in getting back to that thread. #life)

Me even worse ;-)

> Specifically, this is something I'd like to discuss in more extensive terms.  I 
> think I'm postulating that Debian would be in a better place with a "Debian 
> core" topic team, in charge of certain "base source packages", but _ALSO_ of 
> core Debian decisions: filesystem layout, default init systems, etc; all these 
> things which responsibility is _not_ clearly within a specific source package's 
> realm.

But how would this new "Debian core team" take decisions? 

De we need consensus? Will they do a mini-GR among them if there's no
consensus? What level of formalization is really required?

At least, your proposal has the merit of empowering some persons to take
decisions on some topics... because our current model clearly doesn't work
well at that level as soon as we cross the boundary of a single package.

Some packaging teams have written "sub-policies" and this goes clearly
in your direction.

IMO we need to take inspiration from the Python community, everybody can
propose ideas and draft DEP[1], and there would be a Debian Steering
Council that would ack or nack the various DEP. Once acked, everybody
should be empowered to make changes as required by the DEP.

Whether the technical committee should be that council, or not, is not
clear to me.

Maybe depending on the scope of the DEP, and the number/set of packages it
affects, it could be validated by topic-team-councils...

Cheers,
-- 
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Evolving away from source package realms Didier Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2022-10-07 15:40 +0200
  Re: Evolving away from source package realms Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2022-10-12 02:00 +0200
    Re: Evolving away from source package realms Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2022-10-12 02:40 +0200
      Re: Evolving away from source package realms Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2022-10-16 06:40 +0200
        Re: Evolving away from source package realms Tobias Frost <tobi@debian.org> - 2022-10-16 11:30 +0200
        Re: Evolving away from source package realms Nilesh Patra <nilesh@debian.org> - 2022-10-16 11:50 +0200
          Re: Evolving away from source package realms Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2022-10-18 00:20 +0200
            Re: Evolving away from source package realms Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-10-18 13:10 +0200
              Re: Evolving away from source package realms Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2022-10-18 16:30 +0200
                Re: Evolving away from source package realms Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-10-19 17:50 +0200
                Re: Evolving away from source package realms Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2022-10-19 20:50 +0200
              Re: Evolving away from source package realms "M. Zhou" <lumin@debian.org> - 2022-10-18 17:30 +0200
  Re: Evolving away from source package realms Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-10-12 09:40 +0200
    Re: Evolving away from source package realms Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2022-10-13 01:30 +0200
      Re: Evolving away from source package realms Tobias Frost <tobi@debian.org> - 2022-10-13 07:20 +0200
        Re: Evolving away from source package realms Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2022-10-13 09:20 +0200
          Re: Evolving away from source package realms Tobias Frost <tobi@debian.org> - 2022-10-13 14:50 +0200
        Bug#1021714: lists.debian.org: Request for new mailing list: collab-maint (was: Evolving away from source package realms) Santiago Ruano Rincón <santiagorr@riseup.net> - 2022-10-13 14:30 +0200
          Bug#1021714: lists.debian.org: Request for new mailing list: collab-maint (was: Evolving away from source package realms) Andreas Metzler <ametzler@bebt.de> - 2022-10-16 18:40 +0200
      Re: Evolving away from source package realms "M. Zhou" <lumin@debian.org> - 2022-10-18 04:40 +0200
    Re: Evolving away from source package realms Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-10-13 09:20 +0200
  Re: Evolving away from source package realms Nilesh Patra <nilesh@debian.org> - 2022-10-12 10:20 +0200
  Re: Evolving away from source package realms Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2022-10-12 11:00 +0200
    Re: Evolving away from source package realms Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2022-10-19 20:00 +0200
  Re: Evolving away from source package realms Didier Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2022-10-23 16:50 +0200
    Re: Evolving away from source package realms Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2023-01-19 10:40 +0100

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