Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?

From	Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.project
Subject	Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community?
Date	2022-09-17 16:30 +0200
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On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 11:12:54AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>On Fri, 2022-09-16 at 10:13 -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
>> Most people running interactive VMs (e.g., on a desktop with a
>> graphical console) aren't using Xen, they're using kvm or virtualbox
>> or just about anything else.
>
>While the number is probably less, some people (including Debian
>contributors) are using Qubes (which is based on Xen) on desktops:
>
>https://www.qubes-os.org/

*I* use qubes, as well as xen on its own, which is why I'm fairly 
comfortable asserting that bullseye works just fine for typical use 
cases on both platforms. I haven't taken any particular measures to work 
around the bug under discussion--it's just never come up. In qubes you 
aren't generally working with a virtualized bare metal system (i.e., 
watching a bios boot screen come up on a virtual monitor after booting 
from an iso), you're interacting with a templated thin vm via 
qubes-specific I/O channels. The underlying tech may be xen, but the way 
it is used is different.

(Conversely, when I do want that "boot a virtual bare metal system from 
an ISO" experience I do so on a different computer, currently via KVM 
and previously via virtualbox or vmware.)

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Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community? "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-09-14 23:00 +0200
  Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community? Clément Hermann <nodens@debian.org> - 2022-09-15 13:40 +0200
  Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community? Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2022-09-15 17:40 +0200
  Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2022-09-16 16:30 +0200
    Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2022-09-16 22:00 +0200
    Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2022-09-17 05:50 +0200
      Re: Are users of Debian software members of the Debian community? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2022-09-17 16:30 +0200

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