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Re: Can the Debian Project ever fall?

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Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> wrote on 06/06/2022 at 21:55:40+0200:

> On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 09:37:27AM -0500, Shayan Akbar wrote:
>> Hello Debian folks,
>> 
>> As someone who depends on the Debian project a lot in my daily life, I
>> cannot seem to let this idea go... Can the linux project fall?
>> 
>> How does the project maintain itself against the man's intrinsic need to
>> control and own?
>> 
>> How many years can it stay strong and stay a free operating system
>> benefiting billions?
>
> We are doing well.  The RPM world is collapsing -- Red Hat pretty much
> committed suicide, it had ~70% of the market but chosen only fat lucratious
> corporate clients, who grant mucho $$$s but these days development is so
> open that the NDA world is not enough to sustain enough upstream work to
> prevent Red Hat from rapidly shrinking.  The CentOS debacle was quite the
> fat lady singing.  They follow the Solaris tracks both in scheme and timing
> -- first market share loss, then buyout by a corporation known for
> nickle-and-diming, then hiring freeze, then last free release, then...
> The track is set.  Is sad to see them go but I have little hope.  Fedora is
> merely Red Hat-unstable.  SuSE is quite independent and, while small, does
> enough own development to possibly survive Red Hat's collapse.  But IBM's
> Red Hat...  it'll have several great quarters then go down the hole that
> swallowed SCO, HP-UX, IRIX, Solaris, etc...
>
> The popcorn world: Gentoo, Slack, Arch, Alpine -- they do produce quite a
> bit of innovation that _is_ relevant, but as for number of users -- naah,
> they hardly count.
>
> Ubuntu on the other hand is WTF-level unstable.  First the Unity/GNOME
> disaster, then they totally snapped over, then their last LTS is so buggy it
> tends to randomly crash whatever I do, especially on !x86.  Ppc64el falls
> apart, when I tried to use vectorscan:arm64 it had heisenbugs not
> reproducible on Debian, etc.  I may need to touch Ubuntu for work stuff
> porting, but as an user, on random hosting VMs, I'm gone.  Crossgrading
> to Debian is an instant fix that brings stability and when not paid, I'm
> not going to spend my copious free time to debug Ubuntu bugs.
>
> What we do suffer though, is insane politics.
>
>
> Meow!

That's… a bit salty.

Not that it's wrong, but some things could probably be nuanced.

Cheers!
-- 
PEB

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Can the Debian Project ever fall? Shayan Akbar <shayanakbar94@gmail.com> - 2022-06-06 17:00 +0200
  Re: Can the Debian Project ever fall? Geert Stappers <stappers@stappers.nl> - 2022-06-06 18:10 +0200
    Re: Can the Debian Project ever fall? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-06 19:10 +0200
  Re: Can the Debian Project ever fall? Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2022-06-06 23:00 +0200
    Re: Can the Debian Project ever fall? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2022-06-07 00:40 +0200
    Re: Can the Debian Project ever fall? Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2022-06-07 01:10 +0200
    Re: Can the Debian Project ever fall? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2022-06-07 07:00 +0200
      Re: Can the Debian Project ever fall? Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2022-06-07 19:10 +0200
  Re: Can the Debian Project ever fall? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2022-06-07 03:30 +0200

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