Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > linux.debian.devel > #103535

Re: History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes

Show all headers | View raw

Hi Paul

On 2022/02/22 19:29, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> We don't need to be hostile or expel people for doing things outlined in the
> OSS Simple Sabotage Manual, since a lot of that behavior is -- at times --
> desirable, but I think we do need a*LOT*  of self-reflection (from*everyone*
> who actively engages with Debian politics) to consider our actions, and
> determine how (if at all) we feel that we (as individuals) should change.

Thanks for that mail, it was an interesting read and I think I'll try to 
get a copy of that manual!

As for the paragraph quoted above, I do think we need to deal with 
people who are indistinguishable from a saboteur. I value my time a lot, 
and also of those who spend all their love and energy and years of their 
lives into this project, so I find it incredibly offensive when someone 
comes and things that it's their god given right to piss all over it and 
keep wasting everyone's time.

As a courtesy, I think it's fine to tell them that we find that behavior 
problematic, and that they should stop it if they wish to remain part of 
the project. But failing that, whether I'm DPL or not, I will strongly 
campaign with DAM or whoever makes those kind of decisions to kick them 
out. If we have leadership that can't take those kind of decisions then 
I'd rather not be part of Debian at all.

-Jonathan

Back to linux.debian.devel | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread

Thread

History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org> - 2022-02-22 18:40 +0100
  Re: History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2022-02-22 19:20 +0100

csiph-web