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Re: What does it mean to be inclusive

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For me, inclusion means working with everyone to make Debian as useful an
operating system as possible for as many people as possible. I love that
Debian is one of the *only* Linux distributions that has a good
accessibility wiki, plays the beep to allow me, a blind person, to press s
then enter to start the installer with speech. I also love that Mate,
pretty much the only really accessible desktop environment out there, is
selectable in the installer. I do wish accessibility was more of a priority
for more package maintainers, like Thunderbird, which is really slow to use
with Orca when there are lots of emails in a folder, or Steam, KDE, Gnome,
stuff like that. But that's not really up to Debian.
Devin Prater
r.d.t.prater@gmail.com




On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 3:12 PM Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sam Hartman wrote:
> > I agree that Debian has committed to being open and inclusive. However,
> for me that means something different than you say in your second
> sentence.  To me that means we've committed to being open to as large a
> cross section of people--as diverse a cross section of people as possible.
>
> > The difference in how we interpret things is whether we're focused on
> the individual or the aggregate affect.
>
> It seems indeed that we may have a different concept of inclusion. For
> me, you aren't really being inclusive if you aren't welcoming all
> people, not just those who increase a cross section. And you aren't
> really welcoming a group if you aren't welcoming every individual
> member of that group.
>
> That doesn't mean that Debian should be forced to keep people who
> misbehave (don't respect the CoC) or don't align with its core mission
> (don't respect the Social Contract). As I see it, that is a completely
> different issue.
>
> But this is deviating from the point that I was trying to make, that
> is, that Debian can't use the "we are a private group" argument as a
> waiver from the (moral, if not legal) obligation to treat people
> fairly (and I read your original message as acknowledging the need for
> fair treatment, so I thought we were on the same side). So forgive me
> if I don't want to go further on this subthread.
>
> Gerardo
>
>

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Re: What does it mean to be inclusive Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com> - 2022-02-21 22:20 +0100
  Re: What does it mean to be inclusive Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com> - 2022-02-22 16:30 +0100
    Re: What does it mean to be inclusive Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2022-02-23 02:40 +0100
    Re: What does it mean to be inclusive Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com> - 2022-02-23 13:10 +0100

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