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Re: a stop job is running for user manager

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David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> writes:

> On Fri 18 Feb 2022 at 21:13:16 (+0000), Richmond wrote:
>> Махно <mindaugasceliesius@gmail.com> writes:
>> > 2022-02-18, pn, 03:28 David Wright rašė:
>> >> On Thu 17 Feb 2022 at 13:44:46 (+0000), Richmond wrote:
>> >> > David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> writes:
>> >> > > On Thu 17 Feb 2022 at 01:00:30 (+0000), Richmond wrote:
>> >> > >> Since upgrading to Debian 11 I sometimes see "a stop job is running for
>> >> > >> user manager..." on shutdown and it waits 90 seconds. The last comment
>> >> > >> in this thread says "Installing systemd from backsports solved this issue."
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=150080
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I guess that means a backport from testing. Is that a good idea?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > No, it's not.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > testing: 250.3-2
>> >> > >
>> >> > > BULLSEYE backports: 250.3-2~bpo11+1
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The latter is lovingly crafted to suit your installed libraries.
>> >> > > The former depends on bookworm/testing's libraries.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks, I see my mistake, I thought bullseye-backports meant backports
>> >> > from bullseye, but it means *to* bullseye. However when I tried it, apt
>> >> > says it will remove 92 packages which doesn't sound right to me. Is it
>> >> > supposed to do that? I had to include libsystemd0 for dependencies.
>> >> >
>> >> > sudo apt install libsystemd0/bullseye-backports systemd/bullseye-backports
>> >> >
>> >> > The following packages will be upgraded:
>> >> >   libsystemd0 systemd
>> >> > 2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 92 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>> >> > Need to get 5,167 kB of archives.
>> >> > After this operation, 383 MB disk space will be freed.
>> >> > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
>> >> > Abort.
>> >>
>> >> For me, the effect is very much smaller, and I don't think I'd miss
>> >> most of what it wants to remove. The difference may be because you run
>> >> a DE and I don't. (I've made no attempt to analyse the output below.)
>> >>
>> >> The obvious alternative is either put up with the delay, or research
>> >> what might be causing it. There's a link near the top of the page you
>> >> referenced, with discussions that might help, though bear in mind that
>> >> shortening the timeout or hammering the three finger salute aren't solutions.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps backports isn't really a solution, either. There's no
>> >> explanation or justification given by ddebbb.
>> >>
>> >> $ apt-get -s install systemd/bullseye-backports
>> >> [ … ]
>> >> 2 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 9 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>> >> [ … ]
>> >> $
>> 
>> > Hello! I would suggest that you report this issue to Debian BTS by
>> > using the reportbug program. Also, i think you should wait for a
>> > person, responsible for the maintenance of this package and wait for
>> > an answer.
>> 
>> Perhaps. Yesterday I found a site that suggested removing entries from
>> ~/.config/autostart/
>> 
>> There were a few in there for applications I no longer have installed,
>> so I removed them, and I am monitoring to see if I see the shutdown
>> delay again. It maybe relates to a gnome bug which was not fixed in
>> Mate. It is hard to tell from journalctl which error if any relates to
>> the delay.
>
> That seems like a step in the right direction. A quick question:
> do you logout before you shutdown or not? It might be possible to
> observe whether the delay is during logoff or shutdown.
>
> (It's not directly relevant, but when running bullseye in 512MB,
> it helps to kill the browser, terminate X, logout, and shutdown
> in turn, because the agressive parallelism of systemd works against
> you with such limited memory.)
>

That autostart removal didn't work.

So far this problem has occured only when shutting down an open session,
although I don't think there necessarily needs to be any application
open.

Next I will try what you say (logoff) and see if there is any
delay. Another option is to use startx rather than a display manager,
although I think I may have tried that. Another option is to use a
different, or no, desktop env. and try to close in by the process of
elimination, Dr Watson.

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a stop job is running for user manager Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2022-02-17 02:30 +0100
  Re: a stop job is running for user manager David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-02-17 04:20 +0100
    Re: a stop job is running for user manager Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2022-02-17 15:10 +0100
      Re: a stop job is running for user manager David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-02-18 02:30 +0100
        Re: a stop job is running for user manager Махно <mindaugasceliesius@gmail.com> - 2022-02-18 14:10 +0100
          Re: a stop job is running for user manager Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2022-02-18 22:40 +0100
            Re: a stop job is running for user manager David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-02-19 03:10 +0100
              Re: a stop job is running for user manager Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2022-02-19 14:40 +0100
                Re: a stop job is running for user manager Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2022-03-06 23:40 +0100
    Re: a stop job is running for user manager Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2022-02-17 15:30 +0100

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