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Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...

From Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke...
Date 2022-01-07 15:10 +0100
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David Wright wrote: 
> On Thu 06 Jan 2022 at 07:24:47 (-0500), Dan Ritter wrote:
> > pytnon-is-python2
> > 
> > python-is-python3
> > 
> > Either way, something's going to break. Blame Guido Van Rossum.
> 
> Throughout those years, Python3 was available, and there were
> compatibility layers and cheatsheets assisting with or documenting
> the production of compatible code or its conversion for deployment
> when upgrading. Makes no difference to human nature.
> 
> So I think any blame should be shared around a lot more.

I don't mean that the Python directors should have mandated
harder or gone out to fix the software themselves.

I mean that this could all be avoided if the language spec
started with

"Python interpreters that handle major version 3 must be invoked
under the name python3. A python3 interpreter is not required to
handle Python 1 or 2 syntax. If it does not, it must terminate
execution as soon as possible with an error message like 'This
program needs a different major version of Python."

Not having that in the spec as soon as they made the decision
that Python 3 would break compatibility, that's what I blame
them for.

-dsr-

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still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-06 07:00 +0100
  Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2022-01-06 08:40 +0100
  Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2022-01-06 13:30 +0100
    Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-06 16:40 +0100
      Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2022-01-06 18:10 +0100
        Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-07 18:20 +0100
      Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-06 18:40 +0100
  Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2022-01-06 13:50 +0100
    Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2022-01-06 14:00 +0100
      Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2022-01-06 15:00 +0100
    Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-06 16:50 +0100
      Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2022-01-06 18:10 +0100
        Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-07 18:10 +0100
          Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2022-01-07 18:50 +0100
            Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-07 21:10 +0100
              Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2022-01-08 03:00 +0100
                Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2022-01-15 19:10 +0100
              Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-01-08 04:50 +0100
              Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2022-01-08 20:50 +0100
    Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-01-07 02:30 +0100
      Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2022-01-07 15:10 +0100
        Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2022-01-07 18:40 +0100
          Re: still fixing stuff the upgrade broke... Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2022-01-07 19:20 +0100

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