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Re: iwd: Using iwd to connect to a wireless network (Part 1 - Connection status show OK but unable to surf the net)

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On Thu 30 Sep 2021 at 12:23:45 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 05:48:19PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 10:14:05AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > What baffels me is though, at what length someone would go to not use the default
> > > methods to connect  via wifi. Especially when they showed limited experience
> > > in networking in the first place.
> > 
> > This remark was, IMO, unnecessary: after all, that's how we learn around here,
> > don't we?
> >
> > At least that's how I learn.
> > 
> 
> That is not me.
> I will not encourage anyone to set themselves up for failure.
> I might be unpolished, and you expressed before that I am rude.
> However I think most people benefit from a realistic point
> of their own capabilities.
> I just do not think throwing somebody from a ship in the middle
> of the ocean and thinking he/she will learn to swim. I rather send
> them to the kiddie pool, no matter how offended they are.

Someone jumping in at the deep end is eventually going to learn,
but it frequently would involve someone elses considerable time
and effort. Something to factor in when co-operation is on the
table.

Sharing knowledge and experience with a user who hasn't any clear
concept of what the shallow end is like very often doesn't lead to
a satisfactory outcome. Advising going back to basics is likely to
be of the greatest benefit to both parties.

> And it is not the case that I do not want them to learn. Quite the
> opposite is true.

This is very believable. I wouldn't doubt it.

-- 
Brian.

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  Re: iwd: Using iwd to connect to a wireless network (Part 1 -  Connection status show OK but unable to surf the net) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-09-28 22:50 +0200
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          Re: iwd: Using iwd to connect to a wireless network (Part 1 -  Connection status show OK but unable to surf the net) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-09-29 16:20 +0200
            Re: iwd: Using iwd to connect to a wireless network (Part 1 -  Connection status show OK but unable to surf the net) Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-29 20:50 +0200
              Re: iwd: Using iwd to connect to a wireless network (Part 1 -  Connection status show OK but unable to surf the net) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-09-29 21:20 +0200
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                Re: iwd: Using iwd to connect to a wireless network (Part 1 -  Connection status show OK but unable to surf the net) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-09-29 22:40 +0200
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                Re: iwd: Using iwd to connect to a wireless network (Part 1 -  Connection status show OK but unable to surf the net) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-09-30 20:30 +0200
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                Re: iwd: Using iwd to connect to a wireless network (Part 1 -  Connection status show OK but unable to surf the net) Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-30 15:30 +0200
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                Re: iwd: Using iwd to connect to a wireless network (Part 1 - Connection status show OK but unable to surf the net) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-09-30 16:30 +0200
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        Re: iwd: Using iwd to connect to a wireless network (Part 1 -  Connection status show OK but unable to surf the net) Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-30 16:00 +0200
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        Re: iwd: Using iwd to connect to a wireless network (Part 1 -  Connection status show OK but unable to surf the net) Stella Ashburne <rewefie@gmx.com> - 2021-09-30 16:40 +0200
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