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Re: Appil sales plummet 30%

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Appil sales plummet 30%
Date 2016-04-18 12:15 -0700
Message-ID <D33A804D.70438%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
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On 4/18/16, 5:25 AM, in article nf2ji6$v6d$1@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"
<peter@klown.is> wrote:

> On 2016-04-17 5:25 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 4/17/16, 2:00 PM, in article nf0ta7$31s$3@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"
>> <peter@klown.is> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> Ditto with me. Slimer has been not-so-kind to me in the past. Whatever. I
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> not hold a grudge against him in any way. Nor most others.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't stand your left-wing stance on things and will never ever
>>>>> appreciate your line of thinking. I hate leftists in general and find
>>>>> them to be an absolute stain on humanity. As long as you don't advocate
>>>>> left-wing politics, I have no reason to be against you.
>>>> 
>>>> I tend back equal rights when I see others pushing against them.
>>> 
>>> Whereas I have no reason to treat people who refuse to educate
>>> themselves, who refuse to work and who refuse to accept common sense as
>>> equals. If a person is a lazy, stupid moron who expects hand-outs, he is
>>> a parasite and not worth even a second of my time nor anyone else's. I
>>> will _never_ defend these creatures.
>> 
>> I do not excuse laziness... I think that is a misrepresentation of what I
>> and people on the left generally want to do.
> 
> It isn't. 

It is antithetical to my views and I sincerely know of no liberal /
progressive who shares the views you express. If you can show an example of
someone saying it is fine for people to be lazy I would like to see it.

> In Canada like in the United States, the left wants to make sure that the
> government is larger and that the citizens spend more money on taxes so that
> it can be used to produce more government work (making the government even
> larger) and given away to people who don't feel like doing anything at all.

Do you have any evidence that government spending is more under liberals?
That there are more government workers?

> It's much worse in the United States, especially among black populations and
> sand parasites who seem to believe that their purpose in life is to eat fried
> chicken and make babies.

Your use of bigoted terms such as "sand parasites" is why I feel we should
not discuss this issue. I do not back bigotry... a form of intellectual
laziness.

>> No. I want to make a STRONGER
>> tie between hard work / productivity and financial reward. Right now people
>> are being more productive but getting less. This discourages people from
>> working. Right now most of the new wealth in the country is going to the
>> wealthiest people.
> 
> It is not up to the government to decide what the rewards of hard work
> will be. 

Yet we socialize the costs and risks of the wealthy.

And, in my view it IS the role of the government to protect human rights.
Absolutely.

> In reality, the RIGHT wing wants to make sure that hard work, loyalty and
> dedication are rewarded.

I would like to see evidence of this.

> In fact, that's how capitalism used to be and you could easily start in the
> mail room and eventually become the CEO of the company.

Can you name this time period?

> It technically still is this way (my wife is the perfect example of this) but
> people aren't as dedicated and especially not as loyal as they used to be.

The stats show otherwise.

>> There is a lot of complexity to it but I think these cover the basics well
>> and in a very digestible form:
>> 
>>      <http://imgur.com/a2BEHjL>, <https://goo.gl/9etB7G>
>> 
>> We have to fix this. If we do not there is less and less incentive to work.
>> And we have to stop socializing the costs and risks of the wealthy.
>> 
>> I also think the idea of fair contracts needs to be recognized as something
>> that is not natural. There is no "natural" market. We have to have
>> government intervention to back human rights and equality. If not you have
>> people pushed to enter contracts under duress: sign or literally go hungry,
>> homeless, and possibly even die.
> 
> I do not feel sorry for the people who go hungry, become homeless and
> die. To me, society is an extension of the "survival of the fittest"
> concept.

And this is where we differ: I am a strong supporter of backing human rights
and equality. Not equal outcomes but equal treatment.

> The working population of a country is not responsible for the
> uneducated and lazy segment. If they don't want to be homeless and
> hungry, nothing is stopping them from working. Unless they are
> handicapped, I have no pity whatsoever toward them.

I think you look at individuals and blame them and fail to see the sociatal
problems. 

>> I also support helping those truly in need - and my definition of that might
>> be broader than yours. But I suspect that where we differ on that is a very
>> small amount of money compared to what the rich get with their socialized
>> support... literally just a few pennies, or less, to every dollar the rich
>> get.
>> 
>> Anyway, no need to reply to this and not looking for a debate... just making
>> clear my views. They most certainly are NOT in any way a defense of people
>> not doing what they can to take care of themselves or in any way backing
>> laziness.
> 
> My view is that if *I* was able to scrape myself up from nothing and
> become something, no one else has any excuse. As a teenager, I had every
> reason to give up on _everything_ and make _nothing_ of myself. However,
> unlike most human beings who face obstacles like mine, I refused to
> allow the world to spit on me and treat me like I'm less than they are
> and became not only an exemplary student but an exemplary worker. If the
> lazy, uneducated morons holding onto the left side of things want a
> better life, they can go ahead and get it; waiting for the government to
> help them will get them nowhere.

Again: you assume others are lazy. Some are... but many are not. Nobody here
is defending laziness. I am defending human rights and equal rights.


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                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 20:26 -0700
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                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 09:40 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 13:31 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 11:08 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 11:21 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 08:39 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 09:46 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 13:36 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 11:07 -0700
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                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-18 04:49 +0200
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                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 20:47 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-04-18 05:55 +0200
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 21:26 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-20 10:21 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 22:38 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-18 02:46 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-20 11:42 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 19:39 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-18 02:55 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 20:20 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-18 03:50 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 21:29 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 08:33 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 09:53 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 10:14 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 10:27 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 13:39 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 10:58 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 11:12 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 14:27 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 11:55 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 18:39 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 16:53 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-19 08:38 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-19 09:31 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 09:36 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 09:34 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-19 12:52 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 09:56 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-20 14:14 -0700
                Re: Am I poorer if you're richer ?  No, _relative_ wealth doesn't matter. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-18 01:55 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 18:28 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-18 01:53 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 19:07 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 08:25 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 12:15 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 18:45 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 16:59 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-19 08:44 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-19 09:18 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 08:44 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <ahlstrom's_manhood@void.ca> - 2016-04-17 09:27 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-17 07:19 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 12:03 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-17 09:12 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 14:00 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 14:53 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-17 20:07 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 19:56 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 08:28 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 12:57 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-17 13:14 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 08:59 -0500
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 10:37 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-17 13:06 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-17 10:29 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-17 16:57 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 10:51 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 10:59 -0700
        Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <ahlstrom's_manhood@void.ca> - 2016-04-16 13:47 -0400
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        Re: Appil sales plummet 30% 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-16 18:16 +0000
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        Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <ahlstrom's_manhood@void.ca> - 2016-04-16 15:00 -0400
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        Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-18 09:42 +0100
    Re: Countless SMALL vendors write to the Microsoft Standard. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 22:26 -0700
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