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Re: Appil sales plummet 30%

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject Re: Appil sales plummet 30%
Date 2016-04-17 20:20 -0700
Message-ID <D339A070.70303%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
References (9 earlier) <afji03a.0244@rooftop.invalid> <D3398FF6.702D2%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <gyuef.jig98sa@rooftop.invalid> <D33996DA.702E4%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <hjfoa03.araplg@rooftop.invalid>

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On 4/17/16, 7:55 PM, in article hjfoa03.araplg@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 4/17/16, 7:24 PM, in article gyuef.jig98sa@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/17/16, 6:51 PM, in article afji03a.0244@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Abolish the minimum wage and this economy would go crazy with expansion.
>>>> 
>>>> A claim you cannot in any way support and goes against all historical
>>>> precedence and reason. The extreme of it is, literally, slavery. Yeah, the
>>>> South did economically well off the backs of the poor... but equality was
>>>> not respected.
>>>> 
>>>>> Raise it to $15 and watch the jobs dry up.
>>>> 
>>>> Another claim you will never back up and goes against basic reason.
>>> 
>>> If wages are allowed to seek the bottom, prices of goods will follow.
>> 
>> Evidence?

None. So the idea that starvation wages will lead to low prices of goods in
general is not supported. OK.

>>> People with mortgages would feel pain, but banks could be coerced
>>> by the government to rewrite loans to reflect the new property values.
>> 
>> Evidence? 

None. No evidence that governments would be coerced as you say.

>>> And if this were planned for in advance, no one would be hurt.
>> 
>> Evidence?

No evidence that starvation wages and a lack of human rights (in this area -
you did not say none at all) would somehow hurt nobody.

>>> It doesn't matter how much you make.  What matters is what your
>>> income will purchase.
>> 
>> Right. And if people are not making the money they earn - if productivity is
>> not closely associated with financial reward - people buy less. When people
>> buy less there is less market demand. Less production. Fewer jobs. More
>> poverty. It is a cycle that is nasty... and you end up some rich people
>> being able to exploit the poor and a shrinking middle class.

And no comment from you.

>>> And what matters most is that you actually *have* an income.
>> 
>> So as long as you make a penny a year you should be happy... no matter how
>> productive you are. That is silly.

And no comment from you.

>>> This crazy idea of the US having a $15 minimum wage and trying to compete in
>>> >>> a world economy against nations whose workers make pennies a day is
>>> *not* a good plan, Mr. Sanders.  That is a plan that leads to the
>>> devastation of the US economy.
>>> 
>>> Mark my words.  A $15 minimum wage this month means a $10 loaf of bread next
>>> month.
>>> 
>> It may mean some prices go up... but it will also mean more market demand
>> which means more jobs.
> 
> What market demand are you talking about?

The demand from people spending money. The more money people at the lower
end of the economic scale have, the higher the demand.

What other demand were you thinking of?
 
>> Really we should have a minimum wage tied to
>> inflation. If the corporations work to punish people for no longer getting
>> socialized support of their labor force it ends up costing them more in
>> labor.
> 
> What do you think doubling the minimum wage is going to do to people on
> fixed Social Security incomes who already struggle and don't get proper
> cost of living increases, if they're lucky enough to get them at all?

We should expand SS, too. Of course. Have it keep up with inflation.

> For some reason you don't seem to get that if you double the minimum
> wage to $30,000, wages across the board are going to go through the
> roof. 

What "seems" to you is not relevant to my views.

> And that means that everything you buy is going to go up in
> price.  

When asked for support of this you showed NONE.

> Then suddenly with your shiny new $15 per hour salary you
> are just as poor as you were the day before.

I suggest you look up the idea of inflation adjustment.



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                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 11:49 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-16 22:02 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-04-16 14:09 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-16 22:31 +0000
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                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-16 23:11 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-04-16 16:19 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-16 23:27 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-04-16 16:33 -0700
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                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 10:53 -0700
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                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 16:31 -0700
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                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 11:08 -0700
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                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 09:46 -0700
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                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 20:47 -0700
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                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 21:26 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-20 10:21 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 22:38 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-18 02:46 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-20 11:42 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 19:39 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-18 02:55 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 20:20 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-18 03:50 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 21:29 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 08:33 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 09:53 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 10:14 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 10:27 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 13:39 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 10:58 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 11:12 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 14:27 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 11:55 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 18:39 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 16:53 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-19 08:38 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-19 09:31 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 09:36 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 09:34 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-19 12:52 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 09:56 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-20 14:14 -0700
                Re: Am I poorer if you're richer ?  No, _relative_ wealth doesn't matter. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-18 01:55 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 18:28 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-18 01:53 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 19:07 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 08:25 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 12:15 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 18:45 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 16:59 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-19 08:44 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-19 09:18 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 08:44 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <ahlstrom's_manhood@void.ca> - 2016-04-17 09:27 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-17 07:19 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 12:03 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-17 09:12 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 14:00 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 14:53 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-04-17 20:07 +0000
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 19:56 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 08:28 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 12:57 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-17 13:14 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 08:59 -0500
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 10:37 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-17 13:06 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-17 10:29 -0700
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-17 16:57 -0400
                Re: Appil sales plummet 30% Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-17 10:51 -0700
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