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Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums

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Chuck Zmudzinski <brchuckz@netscape.net> wrote on 28/09/2021 at 13:10:08+0200:

> On 9/27/2021 9:18 PM, Borden wrote:
>> I sympathise with your frustrations.
>>
>> The open source "community" - especially Debian - is not known for
>> its civility. There have been numerous articles (and backlashes)
>> identifying the rampant misogyny, racism, arrogance, murder and
>> general rudeness amongst its members and leaders. If you're
>> expecting a well-governed organisation with a robust, even-handed
>> and consistent method for handling problems, your princess is in
>> another castle.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the old economic principle "You get what you pay for"
>> applies. People who are good at what they do charge good rates and
>> are in too high demand to deal with us plebs for free. As in any
>> volunteer organisation, positions attract people with way too much
>> free time and whose opinions of themselves (including their legal
>> scholarship) exceeds their abilities. It's pretty tribal.
>>
>> I'm speaking very broadly here and not in reference to anybody in particular, but I have  numerous incidents from the past 20 years in mind.
>>
>> Many newcomers to open source are encouraged to read Eric Raymond's
>> "How to ask questions the smart way" which is a rambling manifesto
>> that establishes the caste system of project managers at the top and
>> newcomers at the bottom. Contributors are to be worshipped as gods,
>> and we must be grateful to them when they down from Nirvana to
>> educate us.
>
> As the original poster, I can say this hits the nail on the head. Most
> definitely, Andy Smith and others claim a right to call newcomers like 
> me a laughingstock, damned, etc., on the basis of their supposed
> god-like status. The fact is, I solved my bug (#994899) and wanted to 
> help the Debian project out. And as thanks I get called a
> laughingstock and that I would be "damning" myself further if I didn't
> stop my alleged "overreaction." By overreaction, he clearly means I
> refused to worship him and his ilk as the gods they think they are,
> even claiming the power and right to damn newcomers at will. Yet they
> are the ones unable to solve their bug (#991967). And they are the
> gods to be worshiped? Ha ha! I wouldn't pay any of them a dime to try
> to squash a software bug. I will just fix it myself. Debian is closing
> in on a million bugs. That's a lot, it takes about 97 new bugs per day
> over the 28-year life-span of the project to get to a number that
> high. And that is only the ones that are reported. I have seen many
> bugs in free software that I did not bother to report, and I am sure
> many others have as well.
>
> I am inclined to say that if the truth be told, the only bugs that
> matter are the ones that Google, Amazon, Microsoft, IBM, etc. want to 
> get solved. I see many bugs are marked as patch available, yet the
> patch is never applied. My bug is marked as patch available. But I am
> not Google or Amazon. So I doubt my patch for my bug will ever make it
> into the distribution. Apparently I have committed the deadly sin of 
> questioning the gods. If Debian wants to prove me wrong, then Debian
> should accept my patch into the distribution, or at least consider it 
> and have the courtesy to tell me why they can't or won't accept the
> patch. If they do work with me to get a fix into the Debian software
> for my bug, then I will retract my statement that I believe only the
> bugs that are important to Debian are the ones giant multinational 
> corporations want a fix for. Or, think of it this way. Maybe the big
> software companies plant bugs on purpose in free software (or worse, 
> malware, ransomware, etc.) so most people have no choice but to pay
> them for their commercial products and security solutions, and it is
> not good for their bottom line if too many people can get a secure,
> bug-free product for free. Again, if Debian accepts my patch for my
> bug, then I would stand corrected.

Hi Chuck,

You really should consider stopping to reply and leave things as they
are.

Regards,

--
PEB

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Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums Borden <borden_c@tutanota.com> - 2021-09-28 08:30 +0200
  Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-28 10:30 +0200
  Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums Chuck Zmudzinski <brchuckz@netscape.net> - 2021-09-28 13:20 +0200
    Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-09-28 16:40 +0200
    Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-09-28 17:40 +0200
      Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 02:50 +0200
        Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-09-30 13:00 +0200
          Re: Privacy and defamation of character on Debian public forums riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 21:50 +0200

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