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Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC.

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy, sci.physics
Subject Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC.
Date 2015-11-08 20:02 -0700
Message-ID <D2655AEC.632E1%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
References <Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.8{3.24P.Seattle.2015}> <pan.2015.11.09.02.20.50@localhost.localdomain>

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On 11/8/15, 7:20 PM, in article
pan.2015.11.09.02.20.50@localhost.localdomain, "Fabian Russell"
<root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Nov 2015 15:24:59 -0800, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> 
>>  
>> Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC;
>>  
> 
> Some?  I'd say MOST people neither need nor want a desktop PC.
> 
> A desktop PC is also known as a WORKSTATION, i.e. a place for
> serious and extensive COMPUTING work, be it document production,
> image processing, application programming, scientific simulations,
> etc., etc.
> 
> The average Joe/Jane just wants instant, no-brainer email and
> Facebook.  A thumb-drive computer could accommodate those tasks
> and that thumb-drive will contain MS Windows.

Many users also want to edit photos and sometimes even videos, to play
games, to use things like typing tutors or quilt-design programs, to edit
word processing documents - including those with images, to make occasional
fairly simple spreadsheets and maybe even presentations, to play music, etc.

> Microsoft Windows is for brain-dead losers, and they can have it.
> 
> Because the average Joe/Jane could not distinguish a logic gate
> from a sewer hole in the ground, Microsoft invented the Windows OS
> to appeal to such stupidity.

The computer is working to accommodate the user. And is should.

> MS Windows completely hides the digital
> machine and overlays it with various helper devices to serve
> as crutches for the mentally lame user.  The average Joe/Jane
> cannot even edit a simple text file (he/she doesn't even know what
> a text file is) and so Microsoft gives him/her configuration
> windows with no-brainer check boxes and other such retarded stuff.

What text file do you mean? Old .ini files? If so, sure, a general user
should never have to see those.

> Yes, Microsoft is for total idiots, and they can have it.

It does not make things as easy and powerful as OS X, at least in many
areas, but it does make things much better for most users than what they had
with, say, DOS!
 
> But there are repercussions for us all.
> 
> What I hate the most is the names these Microsoft users give to
> the various files they may post.  Invariably these file names
> contain spaces and punctuation characters.  Example: My Picture
> of When I Visited My Mom's House & Got Drunk.jpeg.

What makes you think a user has the obligation to back YOUR wishes?

> Hey idiot!  Hey dumb-fuck!  Don't you understand that digital
> file names are not supposed to contain spaces and punctuation
> characters?  Even though they technically CAN contain them, they
> really SHOULD NOT contain them.

Not only do I use such characters, I also use unicode characters in my file
names. OS X handles it fine. Now I do have to be careful if I am uploading
those to a website or even sharing them with Windows users, but for my own
use I use those as I wish.

> Fortunately, for Linux, there are programs which can process these
> asinine file names and remove the idiotic junk:
> 
> Sanity: http://www.splitbrain.org/projects/sanity

OS X comes with software to make file names Windows and web friendly.

> I have to use such programs ALL THE GODDAMNED TIME to restore
> a decent form to the file names created by Microsoft idiots.
> 
> Yes, Microsoft Windows is for brain-dead assholes, and they can
> have it.

Would love to see what type tasks you think your system handles well. Here
are some that were discussed in COLA a while back... the Linux users did not
fare very well.

* From a single online recipe (or art project, lesson plan, whatever) save
it and email a PDF version where you add notes to it. Now I know this can be
done on Linux; save, open, edit, email. Just curious to see how you people
would generally do it and how streamlined the workflow would be. A couple
ways I might: <https://youtu.be/NPM_WldEBs0>.

* Make a video, as Owl and I have been, but with cursor replacement /
resizing (post production), window highlighting, zooming, arbitrary area
highlighting. For me these were done just to show something else:
<https://youtu.be/aSNpnYpmKag>. I have many other options but picked these
because they fit the real-world example I did shortly before coming up with
the "challenge".

* Getting a WayBackArchive page and getting images of all links, the HTML
validation and CSS validation from W3.org, and a active link to the archive
page, as I did here (does not have to look the exact same, of course):
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sandman/sandman-archive.pdf>.



-- 
* OS X / Linux: What is a file?     <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI>
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux:     <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 02:20 +0000
  Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 18:55 -0800
  Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-08 20:02 -0700
    Circus Alert.. Don't take the bait Fabian Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-08 22:11 -0500
    Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 04:22 +0000
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-08 21:50 -0700
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 05:13 +0000
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-08 22:38 -0700
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 10:45 +0000
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-16 09:25 -0700
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-16 19:09 +0100
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-16 18:59 +0000
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-09 04:38 -0800
      Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-08 21:30 -0800
        Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 06:18 +0000
          Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-09 12:43 +0000
          Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 12:09 -0700
            Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 11:28 -0800
          Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:03 -0700
          Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-09 20:26 +0000
            Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:27 -0700
          Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-09 15:39 -0500
            Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 15:45 -0500
            Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-09 21:53 +0100
              Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 16:01 -0500
              Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 17:14 -0500
                Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 15:18 -0700
                Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 17:48 -0500
                Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-10 01:58 +0100
              Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:28 -0700
                Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-10 02:30 +0100
                Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 12:24 -0700
                Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-11-10 22:50 +0000
        Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 06:31 +0000
          Fabian Russell is disabled. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-08 23:12 -0800
          Re: Plenty of non-idiots use Windows. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:03 -0700
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 03:12 -0500
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:04 -0700
      Rot in Hell, Russell.  There Moi fixed your 1st post. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 02:31 -0800
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-09 12:39 +0000
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 06:47 -0800
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-09 15:35 +0000
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 07:51 -0800
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-09 16:31 +0000
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 11:32 -0800
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:01 -0700
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:04 +0000
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 15:18 -0500
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 21:01 +0000
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 16:08 -0500
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:35 -0700
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 13:54 -0700
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 20:54 +0000
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:13 +0000
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 17:17 -0500
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-09 23:24 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 17:36 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:37 -0700
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:32 -0700
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 13:04 -0700
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:30 -0700
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 18:44 -0700
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 03:58 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 21:38 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 08:18 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 15:15 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 10:49 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 07:54 -0800
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 11:21 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 08:46 -0800
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 12:27 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 12:25 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-10 12:45 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 22:30 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-10 17:37 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-10 18:04 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-11 01:30 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-10 18:59 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-11 03:15 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-11 07:22 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 10:20 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 21:32 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 14:51 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 22:13 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-12 23:17 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 15:28 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 22:38 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-12 18:40 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-12 23:24 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 00:33 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-13 10:57 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-13 12:21 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-13 12:26 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-13 14:57 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-13 17:04 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-13 07:25 -0600
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 11:48 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-13 17:09 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 20:39 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 15:43 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 21:30 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-16 09:27 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 22:18 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-16 09:29 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-12 18:39 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-13 10:55 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:26 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 15:26 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 22:42 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-12 16:06 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 23:25 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-12 23:36 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-12 18:46 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 00:35 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-13 14:54 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-13 14:53 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 15:36 -0800
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 17:40 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-12 18:37 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 00:40 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 18:01 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 01:29 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 18:47 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 02:29 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 19:34 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-12 21:45 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 19:05 -0800
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-12 21:03 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 02:26 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 19:35 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 02:51 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-12 22:00 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 03:36 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-12 22:41 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 19:46 -0800
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 20:00 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 03:18 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 01:49 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 10:27 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 11:15 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-13 11:30 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 11:32 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 08:45 -0800
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 12:12 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:25 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 12:27 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:41 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 12:40 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:47 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 12:52 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:06 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 10:25 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 10:28 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 11:52 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:02 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 12:15 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 08:24 -0800
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 12:52 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-12 21:44 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 10:24 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-14 01:01 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-13 20:08 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 20:17 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 02:07 +0000
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-09 21:48 +0100
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 14:23 -0700
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:25 +0000
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 14:37 -0700
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:41 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 21:07 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 04:05 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 21:48 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 08:20 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 15:18 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 12:29 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 12:28 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-10 12:46 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 16:36 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 18:32 -0500
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:39 -0700
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 18:46 -0700
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 04:09 +0000
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 21:47 -0700
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 08:21 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-10 14:48 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-10 10:34 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-10 18:27 +0100
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 12:31 -0700
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 20:51 +0000
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:21 +0000
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 21:49 +0000
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 15:12 -0700
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:48 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 04:14 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 21:47 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 12:33 -0700
            GhostScipt works well on Windows. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-09 16:09 -0800
              Re: GhostScipt works well on Windows. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 19:54 -0500
                Re: GhostScipt works well on Windows. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:49 -0700
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-10 03:23 -0800
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-11 09:42 +0000
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-11 13:29 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-11 13:08 +0000
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 16:58 -0500
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:43 -0700
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-10 04:18 +0000
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 21:46 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:49 -0700
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:48 -0700
    Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 04:56 +0000
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-08 22:15 -0700
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 05:27 +0000
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-08 22:43 -0700
    Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-09 04:35 -0800
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 06:46 -0800
  Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-09 10:14 +0000
    Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 18:02 +0000
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 12:15 -0700
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:06 -0700
    Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 14:13 -0500
  Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-09 06:13 -0500
    Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-09 12:32 +0000
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 11:38 -0500
    Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-09 07:51 -0600
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-09 09:48 -0500
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-09 10:03 -0500
    Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 18:05 +0000
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-09 13:19 -0500
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 14:24 -0500
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:08 -0700
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 16:35 -0500
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-09 13:52 -0500
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 12:17 -0700
      Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 13:07 -0700
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-09 21:46 +0100
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-09 14:26 -0700
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:52 -0700
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-10 02:54 +0100
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:51 -0700
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-10 10:27 +0100
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-10 06:52 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-10 13:21 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-10 07:39 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:55 -0700
                Are the FOSS community "suckers", Kreep? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-10 07:12 -0600
                Re: Are the FOSS community "suckers", Kreep? Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-10 08:22 -0500
                Re: Are the FOSS community "suckers", Kreep? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:58 -0700
                Re: Are the FOSS community "suckers", Kreep? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-11 09:27 -0600
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:58 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-11-10 22:01 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-10 23:15 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 16:38 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-11 00:45 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-11 14:15 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-10 18:10 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 17:33 -0800
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 21:58 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-12 23:15 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 22:19 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 15:30 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 00:37 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 18:00 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 01:24 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 18:46 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 02:28 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 19:34 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-13 10:27 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 02:41 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-13 09:44 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-13 10:23 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-13 11:06 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 17:27 -0800
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 15:24 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 15:33 -0800
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-11 10:05 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-11 11:20 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-11 13:27 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 10:36 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-12 22:58 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-12 15:15 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-11 06:15 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 16:37 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-10 09:31 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:55 -0700
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 13:54 -0700
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-11-11 20:05 -0700
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-12 10:03 +0100
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-12 10:18 +0100
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-12 11:40 -0700
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-12 11:40 -0700
        Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-09 21:14 +0000
          Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-09 18:53 -0700
            Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-10 18:00 -0500
              Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-10 16:39 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-11 18:00 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-11-11 20:02 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 06:46 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-12 11:41 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-12 09:22 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-12 11:43 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-12 18:07 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-13 07:35 -0600
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-13 14:58 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-13 14:57 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-14 07:30 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-14 12:18 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-14 22:09 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-14 20:12 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-15 03:31 +0000
                To dvus. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-16 11:40 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-15 10:46 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-16 11:38 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-16 14:47 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-11-16 20:26 +0000
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-16 14:43 -0600
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-16 14:19 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-16 15:39 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-16 15:38 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-16 15:37 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-17 05:30 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-11-17 14:57 -0700
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-17 20:04 -0500
                Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-11-17 19:26 -0700
  Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-09 08:14 -0500
  Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-11-09 06:52 -0800
  Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. Bob Loblaw <BL@LinuxProfessionals.com> - 2015-11-15 11:05 -0500
    Re: Some people don't want a _desktop_ PC. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-16 11:41 -0700

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