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Re: Ping Owl: Your preview PDF

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On 8/29/15, 12:24 PM, in article fsnmv83.jkdfi@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
<owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:

>>> I got your streamlined right here.
>>> https://vid.me/2SuL
> 
>> So you are viewing a recipe in your browser... you go to your file manager
>> and right click and select an option.
> 
>> What? And how would that work in full screen (no file browser or panels even
>> showing?)
> 
> I assign a hotkey.

One that works in any program... even those which do not print? And how many
universal hot keys are you going to assign just to add these things which
are pretty basic on OS X?

Your solutions are clever - but they miss a huge part of the point: context.
In each context you have different things offered to you and they are made
discoverable within the UI.

As you note, not all is perfect: the PDF Services, or even saving to PDF (or
Postscript) in a print dialog is a bit odd and not where a new user would be
likely to look. OS X *has* a share menu and perhaps it would make sense to
move such things there...

> BTW, no "file browser or panels" need to be showing as it is.  I just had a
> window open to the Recipes directory to show you that the files were ending up
> there.  Didn't you do just that in one of your recent videos?

Right: but I am saying if you were maximized you would not have the desktop
of file manger showing, so this system tool would have to be on the panel to
be visually accessible. And you end up leaving the program to do things from
within the program.

It is a clever workaround, but, really, add all of the things I have shown
my system doing by default and you have a mass of clutter with no real
context.  

>> Is that option always there?
> 
> As long as I leave it there.  Takes about 30 seconds to remove it or
> add it.

So when you need it you have to add and remove these things! That is what I
am talking about. The things I have brought up are things which I always
have... and it adds no clutter and they show up only when needed (other than
a few exceptions you and I have discussed with the Services - would be good
if they could be better targeted... but still better than what Linux has
been shown to have - nothing).

>> And how many options would you need to add to
>> your file manager to do what I show in my video... things I have for actual
>> use? 
> 
> I thought you had an actual use for the recipe thing in the print dialog?

That and more. Just off the top of my head, things you would be adding to
your contextual menu or panel:

* Save current document to Recipes as PDF
* Save current document to Web Receipts as PDF
* Save current document to Desktop
* Save current document to Downloads (I use that as a catchall)
* Convert current document to PDF with same name and email
* Convert current document to PDF with selectable name and email
  (occurs to me now it would be cool if the email client just let
  you select the attachment and re-name... if Linux clients let
  you do this it would serve much the same need... OS X's Mail
  does not)
* View selected text in Tofu (a tool to make reading lots of text
  easier)
* Look up selected text in Kid's Dictionary
* Look up selected text in Urban Dictionary
* Look up selected text in Wikipedia
* Look up selected text in standard dictionary
* View selected phone number in larger type
* View selected address in a system map tool
* View selected address in Google maps
* Get word count of selected text
* Add selected text to a program that tracks deliveries
* Email the selected webpage to someone, as a webpage
* Set the selected URL to be put in a reading list
* Send the selected URL to Facebook, with comments
* Scan the selected files / folders with a malware program
* Delete the selected application
* Get a quick look at the contents of this file or archive
* Make some basic edits to this image / PDF attachment in email
* Do a "man" search on the selected text
* Add a Lorem Ipsum sentence at the insertion point
* Add a Lorem Ipsum paragraph at the insertion point
* Get all local links from the current web page
* Get all image links from the current web page
* Open the current file in a new instance of the associated program
* New Terminal at Folder
* Encode selected audio file
* Encode selected video file
* Set PDF meta-data

And on and on and on and on. Your solution to add them to a panel or right
click menu, or to have universal hot keys for each of these, misses the
point of having be available in the context they are needed.

Linux has some of the others, such as saving to PDF or Postscipt... and it
has them in a more reasonable context.

...


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