Re: fseek under IBM MVS

From	Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid>
Organization	Go, ion artisan!
Subject	Re: fseek under IBM MVS
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
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Date	2014-12-17 21:05 +0000

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jacob navia wrote:

> In all his tirade heathfield never mentions the insults of mr boss.

Does Richard Bos insult you? Yes, sometimes.
Do you insult Richard Bos? Yes, sometimes.
All you have to do is stop. If he doesn't stop, you win. If he does stop, 
you both win. If you both spend that energy discussing C instead, we all 
win.

> Mr heathfield participates to the bulling with distinction.

I disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion.

> 
> He always sides with those insulting, never critizing mr bos or
> indicating that insults aren't really a way of discussing. But with a
> tone as he would be impartial, just calmly examining the facts.

Insults do not contribute to the discussion, but neither do they contribute 
to the reputation of the person doing the insulting. If you want to improve 
your credibility here, one great way to start would be to stop getting 
personally involved and get on with dispassionately discussing C.

> But he will never acknowledge that insulting me is somehow wrong, or
> maybe nasty, of course not, that's the approved sport in this group.

Actually, the approved sport in this group is discussing C. Insults waste 
everybody's time.

> 
> Nor he sanctions the same attitude in the others that implicitely do the
> same like mr bode.

Mr Bode made a technical comment. It would have been a good idea to base 
your response on technical grounds. It's not too late to do that, thanks to 
the threaded nature of Usenet.

> 
> Of course not. We are calmly discussing fseek/ftell and if mr bos says
> that I am selling "the work of others" or whatever nonsense he throws at
> me, he will be NEVER receive a critical remark from anyone here.

What's the point? He's not going to change because people tell him to. True 
change comes from within. And I suppose it's pretty pointless trying to get 
you to change your behaviour, too. But, in the interests of fair play, Mr 
Bos, consider yourself criticised. (Not that he will see that comment, since 
he killfiled me a few years ago.)

And the thing is, some of us /are/ calmly discussing fseek/ftell. Join us!

> 
> I can be insulted because I dare to repeat that the PDP 10 that Mr bode
> brought as an example of a system where fseek/ftell do not work
> disappeared more than 30 years ago.

People don't need a reason to insult you, me, or anyone else. Either they 
are the kind of people who hurl insults around or they aren't. Some of us 
prefer to get on with technical discussions.

> Saying such a truth allows Bos to start insulting me, and then another
> will bring his killfile and say why I am on it, etc etc.

It isn't a question of allowing him. In unmoderated groups such as this one, 
there is no way to /dis/allow him. Or you. If you want to shout at each 
other till you're blue in the face, there's nothing anyone can do to stop 
you. Or, of course, you could spend that energy and time discussing C 
instead.

> Always the same since at least 10 years!

Don't rise to it. If you stick to technical discussions, anyone insulting 
you will be left high and dry and looking very foolish. But if you continue 
to react as you do, there will always be those who poke you to see how you 
squeal. Don't let them win. Grow a thicker skin.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

Thread

fseek under IBM MVS jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2014-12-14 22:16 +0100
  Re: fseek under IBM MVS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-12-15 01:12 +0000
    Re: fseek under IBM MVS jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2014-12-15 09:13 +0100
      Re: fseek under IBM MVS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-12-15 09:22 +0000
  Re: fseek under IBM MVS Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-12-15 16:26 +0000
    Re: fseek under IBM MVS raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2014-12-17 09:58 +0000
      Re: fseek under IBM MVS BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-17 11:29 +0000
  Re: fseek under IBM MVS John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2014-12-15 10:35 -0800
    Re: fseek under IBM MVS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-12-15 21:33 +0000
      Re: fseek under IBM MVS jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2014-12-15 23:45 +0100
        Re: fseek under IBM MVS Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2014-12-15 17:56 -0500
          Re: fseek under IBM MVS Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2014-12-15 23:05 +0000
          Re: fseek under IBM MVS BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-15 23:19 +0000
            Re: fseek under IBM MVS Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-15 16:36 -0800
            Re: fseek under IBM MVS Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2014-12-15 20:42 -0500
          Re: fseek under IBM MVS jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2014-12-16 01:00 +0100
        Re: fseek under IBM MVS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-12-16 01:09 +0000
          Re: (OT) fseek under IBM MVS Vincenzo Mercuri <nomail@yahoo.it> - 2014-12-16 09:11 +0100
        Re: fseek under IBM MVS raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2014-12-17 10:06 +0000
          Re: fseek under IBM MVS jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2014-12-17 11:33 +0100
            Re: fseek under IBM MVS John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2014-12-17 08:48 -0800
              Re: fseek under IBM MVS raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2014-12-17 17:26 +0000
              Re: fseek under IBM MVS jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2014-12-17 19:46 +0100
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-17 19:28 +0000
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2014-12-17 21:38 +0100
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS Richard Heathfield <invalid@see.sig.invalid> - 2014-12-17 21:05 +0000
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-12-18 11:37 +1300
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2014-12-17 12:43 -0800
        Re: fseek under IBM MVS fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2014-12-19 08:35 -0800
          Re: fseek under IBM MVS BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-12-19 16:51 +0000
          Re: fseek under IBM MVS Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-19 16:36 -0600
    Re: fseek under IBM MVS raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2014-12-17 10:05 +0000
      Re: fseek under IBM MVS Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-17 09:05 -0800
        Re: fseek under IBM MVS raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2014-12-17 17:29 +0000
          Re: fseek under IBM MVS John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2014-12-17 12:55 -0800
            Re: fseek under IBM MVS John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2014-12-17 15:02 -0800
              Re: fseek under IBM MVS raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2014-12-17 23:37 +0000
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-17 16:11 -0800
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2014-12-18 12:06 +0000
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-12-18 11:44 -0500
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-18 11:03 -0800
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2014-12-19 11:31 +0000
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-12-19 08:03 -0500
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-19 08:08 -0800
                Re: fseek under IBM MVS James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2014-12-19 11:30 -0500
              Re: fseek under IBM MVS Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-17 15:56 -0800
              Re: fseek under IBM MVS Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2014-12-21 21:37 +1300
        Re: fseek under IBM MVS glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-12-17 21:59 +0000
          Re: fseek under IBM MVS Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2014-12-17 14:33 -0800
          Re: fseek under IBM MVS "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-12-18 16:06 -0600
  Re: fseek under IBM MVS Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-17 04:20 -0800

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