Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware

From	"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware
Date	2021-09-20 22:30 +0200
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On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 06:48:03AM -0400, lou wrote:
> 
> On 9/20/21 5:38 AM, Stanislav Vlasov wrote:
> > 2021-09-20 14:04 GMT+05:00, lou <loushanguan2015@sina.com>:
> > > installer using hard disk method can read firmware in ext3 partition
> > May you take installer with integrated firmware?
> > 
> > https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/
> > 
> 
> Thanks, but it's unofficial, and it makes me feel uneasy
> 
> fedora includes firmware, and i think they are serious about open source
> 
> why debian can't do the same?
> 

The reason it's unofficial is because it includes non-free firmware. Firmware
we can distribute - but can't fix when it goes wrong, can't provide source
for. Non-free is not part of Debian for just this reason.

That having been said: the image is prepared by Debian developers, in the
same way as the official image (which includes no non-free firmware) and
is a convenience to our users - our priorities are our users and Free 
software.

if you can install using only the official image - especially when using
a wired interface rather than WiFi, say - you can then install the firmware
you need to get wifi working or whatever. The problem has come most recently
where firmware is needed not only for wifi and some graphics cards but also
for sound with some Intel chipsets.

The goal for Fedora may be different - but I'm fairly sure they _don't_ ship
firmware that Debian would consider non-free either.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

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foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware <loushanguan2015@sina.com> - 2021-09-20 08:30 +0200
  Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-20 09:30 +0200
    Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware lou <loushanguan2015@sina.com> - 2021-09-20 11:10 +0200
      Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Stanislav Vlasov <stanislav.v.v@gmail.com> - 2021-09-20 11:50 +0200
        Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware lou <loushanguan2015@sina.com> - 2021-09-20 13:00 +0200
          Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-20 13:20 +0200
          Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-09-20 13:30 +0200
          Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-20 21:30 +0200
            Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-09-21 17:10 +0200
              Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-21 17:50 +0200
              Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-21 21:00 +0200
              Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-09-21 21:30 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-21 21:50 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware lou <loushanguan2015@sina.com> - 2021-09-22 02:20 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-22 07:10 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-22 08:40 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware lou <loushanguan2015@sina.com> - 2021-09-24 10:30 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-24 14:10 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-09-24 15:50 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-24 16:10 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-09-22 07:40 +0200
          Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-20 22:30 +0200
    Message display settings by character encoding (was Re: foolish problem  with installer: can't load firmware) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-09-20 13:20 +0200
      Re: Message display settings by character encoding (was Re: foolish  problem with installer: can't load firmware) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-20 13:40 +0200
      Re: Message display settings by character encoding (was Re: foolish  problem with installer: can't load firmware) David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-20 21:20 +0200
      Re: Message display settings by character encoding (was Re: foolish  problem with installer: can't load firmware) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-09-21 14:40 +0200

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