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Re: Message display settings by character encoding (was Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware)

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On 9/20/21 4:16 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-09-20 at 03:21, David Christensen wrote:
> 
>> Your message displays strangely on Thunderbird (oversized Courier
>> font?).
> 
> In my case, it displays with unusually-small characters and what looks
> like a different font, not unusually large ones.
> 
>> Please verify that your e-mail client is configured to compose
>> messages in plain text (e.g. ASCII), not HTML.
> 
> In this case, it has nothing to do with plain text vs. HTML.
> 
> If you look at View -> Character Encoding (at least in my older
> Thunderbird, although I have no reason to expect it to have moved in
> newer ones), you'll see that the message in question is encoded with the
> character set "Chinese, Simplified". 


My Thunderbird 78.13.0 (64-bit) -> View -> Character Encoding initially 
displayed nothing.  I can change the Character Encoding and the message 
font and/or size changes.  If I select a different message and then come 
back to the original message, the oversize Courier is there again and 
the Character Encoding is whatever I last set.  Goofy.


View -> Message Source:

<snip>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
	 boundary="=-sinamail_alt_4cb0d222e6a1010379ef9ce8d2033c03"
<snip>

--=-sinamail_alt_4cb0d222e6a1010379ef9ce8d2033c03
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset=GBK
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: inline

<snip>

--=-sinamail_alt_4cb0d222e6a1010379ef9ce8d2033c03
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset=GBK
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: inline

<snip>

--=-sinamail_alt_4cb0d222e6a1010379ef9ce8d2033c03--


STFW "GBK" explains your "Simplified Chinese" observation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBK_(character_encoding)


> (For that matter, so is your reply

Agreed; and not what I wanted:

View -> Message Source:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gbk; format=flowed


> - although not Stanislav's later reply, or the OP's reply to that.)

View -> Message Source:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"


It looks like he did Reply List -> Options -> Text Encoding -> Unicode 
to reset the encoding to UTF-8 (?).  I will need to remember that trick.


> Thunderbird can be - and, by default, is - configured to use different
> font settings for messages with different character encodings, on the
> principle that the font preferred for e.g. English may not have the
> glyphs needed for e.g. Chinese. Those different settings can include
> different sizes. (Again in my older Thunderbird, these settings are
> under Edit -> Preference -> Display -> Formatting -> Advanced.)


Edit -> Preferences -> Language & Appearance -> Advanced -> Fonts for -> 
Simplified Chinese:

Monospace	-> Default (DejaVu Sans Mono)
Size		-> 16


That explains what I am seeing.


> In my own case, my default font configuration is Unicode, with a point
> size of 16 - but my Chinese, Simplified configuration has a point size
> of 14 (although with the exact same specification for what fonts to
> use). So that neatly explains why I see smaller characters in those
> messages.
> 
> Given the OP's E-mail address, it's not surprising that he(?) may have a
> mail client configured for Chinese composition by default, and not have
> realized that it may make a difference to how the message appears when
> written in English.
> 
> 
> The upshot of which is: if you want to minimize experiencing this sort
> of mismatch, you should be able to adjust your per-character-set font
> settings to be more mutually consistent.


I will leave the settings at default -- to provide me with a clue when I 
am looking at a message that is not plaintext UTF-8.


Thanks for the explanation.  :-)


David

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foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware <loushanguan2015@sina.com> - 2021-09-20 08:30 +0200
  Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-20 09:30 +0200
    Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware lou <loushanguan2015@sina.com> - 2021-09-20 11:10 +0200
      Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Stanislav Vlasov <stanislav.v.v@gmail.com> - 2021-09-20 11:50 +0200
        Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware lou <loushanguan2015@sina.com> - 2021-09-20 13:00 +0200
          Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-20 13:20 +0200
          Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-09-20 13:30 +0200
          Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-20 21:30 +0200
            Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-09-21 17:10 +0200
              Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-21 17:50 +0200
              Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-09-21 21:00 +0200
              Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-09-21 21:30 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware piorunz <piorunz@gmx.com> - 2021-09-21 21:50 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware lou <loushanguan2015@sina.com> - 2021-09-22 02:20 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-09-22 07:10 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-22 08:40 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware lou <loushanguan2015@sina.com> - 2021-09-24 10:30 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-24 14:10 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-09-24 15:50 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-09-24 16:10 +0200
                Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-09-22 07:40 +0200
          Re: foolish problem with installer: can't load firmware "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-09-20 22:30 +0200
    Message display settings by character encoding (was Re: foolish problem  with installer: can't load firmware) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-09-20 13:20 +0200
      Re: Message display settings by character encoding (was Re: foolish  problem with installer: can't load firmware) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-09-20 13:40 +0200
      Re: Message display settings by character encoding (was Re: foolish  problem with installer: can't load firmware) David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2021-09-20 21:20 +0200
      Re: Message display settings by character encoding (was Re: foolish  problem with installer: can't load firmware) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-09-21 14:40 +0200

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