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Re: Wine MinGW system libraries

From Stephen Kitt <skitt@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.devel
Subject Re: Wine MinGW system libraries
Date 2021-09-13 20:30 +0200
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 20:54:56 +0300, Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 07:03:54PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 19:20:16 +0300, Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> wrote:  
> > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 05:31:41PM +0200, Stephen Kitt wrote:  
> > > >...
> > > > While one could imagine adding support to all the appropriate
> > > > source packages to build similar “Architecture: all” packages, that
> > > > would require convincing all the relevant maintainers,    
> > > 
> > > Adding a new release architecture (partial or not) requires convincing 
> > > the ftp team and the release team.
> > > 
> > > It would also require many software changes.  
> > 
> > Yes, it would. However, it requires convincing a well-defined set of
> > people *once*. If we handle Windows dependencies using “Architecture:
> > all” packages, we would either end up with something like Fedora’s
> > MinGW-w64 SIG (with a complete set of independent packages), or we would
> > end up having to convince a huge set of package maintainers over and over
> > again.  
> 
> Based on the package list provided in the initial email in this thread
> (and guessing the amount of transitive dependencies) I would have guessed
> that there are perhaps ~ 30 packages that would have to be touched once.

... which means ~30 maintainers who need convincing individually. My
experience so far is that maintainers tend not to be interested (justifiably)
in Windows cross-builds.

> And after that things will just continue working, just like with udebs
> which are in some ways similar to what is being discussed here.

udebs are mostly a packaging concern. Keeping Windows cross-builds working
tends to require a bit more effort unfortunately.

> > > How would for example the dependencies of wine:amd64 be fulfilled?
> > > 
> > > Just supporting that package dependencies might only be fulfilled by 
> > > also using packages from a different architecture would require changes 
> > > in many places, like for example the testing migration scripts that 
> > > ensure installability after migration.  
> > 
> > In the same way as the none-arch packages would be. Yes, it’s a lot of
> > work, but it’s useful for more than just Wine, and it can be done once
> > for all the interested architectures.  
> 
> It is also the kind of change where it might be required that it is 
> fully supported in one release before it can be used by packages in the 
> next release, if for example any of dpkg/apt/aptitude/... in the 
> previous stable gives an error when seeing dependencies to another 
> architecture.

That is indeed a good point, thanks for bringing it up!

Regards,

Stephen

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  Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-05 09:20 +0200
    Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Stephen Kitt <skitt@debian.org> - 2021-09-05 18:30 +0200
    Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-12 10:00 +0200
      Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-12 15:40 +0200
        Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-12 16:10 +0200
          Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-12 16:20 +0200
            Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-12 16:40 +0200
              Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-12 17:20 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-12 17:30 +0200
            Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2021-09-13 17:50 +0200
              Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Stephen Kitt <skitt@debian.org> - 2021-09-13 20:20 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2021-09-13 22:10 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-13 22:30 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-13 23:00 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-13 23:40 +0200
      Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Stephen Kitt <skitt@debian.org> - 2021-09-12 17:40 +0200
        Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-12 18:40 +0200
          Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Stephen Kitt <skitt@debian.org> - 2021-09-12 19:10 +0200
            Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-12 20:20 +0200
              Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Stephen Kitt <skitt@debian.org> - 2021-09-13 20:30 +0200
  Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Stephen Kitt <skitt@debian.org> - 2021-09-05 18:20 +0200
    Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Zebediah Figura <zfigura@codeweavers.com> - 2021-09-05 19:20 +0200
      Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Stephen Kitt <skitt@debian.org> - 2021-09-06 09:10 +0200
        Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 10:20 +0200
        Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Zebediah Figura <zfigura@codeweavers.com> - 2021-09-06 18:40 +0200
          Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-06 21:00 +0200
            Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Zebediah Figura <zfigura@codeweavers.com> - 2021-09-07 00:00 +0200
              Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2021-09-07 02:50 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries "Bastien Roucariès" <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 12:40 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Zebediah Figura <zfigura@codeweavers.com> - 2021-09-07 17:50 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 19:30 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-07 20:20 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Zebediah Figura <zfigura@codeweavers.com> - 2021-09-07 23:20 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-08 01:50 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-08 09:50 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2021-09-08 10:20 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Zebediah Figura <zfigura@codeweavers.com> - 2021-09-08 17:50 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2021-09-09 03:20 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Zebediah Figura <zfigura@codeweavers.com> - 2021-09-09 06:50 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2021-09-09 07:20 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Zebediah Figura <zfigura@codeweavers.com> - 2021-09-09 07:40 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2021-09-09 07:50 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Zebediah Figura <zfigura@codeweavers.com> - 2021-09-09 08:10 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2021-09-09 09:40 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-10 11:50 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2021-09-11 08:10 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-12 17:20 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2021-09-08 01:10 +0200
                Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-08 01:30 +0200
  Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-09-11 17:40 +0200
    Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Bastien ROUCARIES <roucaries.bastien@gmail.com> - 2021-09-11 20:10 +0200
  Re: Wine MinGW system libraries Zebediah Figura <zfigura@codeweavers.com> - 2022-04-17 02:30 +0200

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