Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere

From	"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere
Date	2021-08-15 23:30 +0200
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On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:01:37PM +0200, Marco Möller wrote:
> Dear moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere.
> This list recently is flooded with never ending arguing, and respect and
> politeness too often got lost.
> 
> Same here as already for Michael Howards "Fwd: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta:
> behavior on list)". See attachment below.
> Marco
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)
> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 15:41:42 -0400
> From: Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com>
> To: Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net>
> 
> 
> 
> On 2021-08-14 3:38 p.m., Marco Möller wrote:
> > On 14.08.21 21:35, Michael Howard wrote:
> > 
> > > Give the normal amongst us a break. This stuff is NOT debian, it is
> > > social ineptitude and it has to stop.
> > > 
> > > Form yourselves a chat group somewhere, just NOT here. Please?
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Michael Howard.
> > > 
> > 
> > +1
> > 
> > ---
> > Marco
> > 
> FUCK OFF
> 
> -- 
> Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
> -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
> 
> 

There aren't any particular moderators here: as stated before this is an
unmoderated list.

If someone writes to you off-list specifically, it's very bad form to bring
copy it and specifically bring it back up on list, whoever seems to be at 
fault. 

Everybody can make mistakes, very occasionally people copy a private reply
back to a list in genuine error. You goof: but you generally only do it once
because people will call you out on it - especially if it's a sensitive 
topic. [And yes, from personal experience, it doesn't feel nice once you 
realise you've made a mistake - apologies don't always cut it.]

Moral of the story: look really carefully at how you're replying
and who you're replying to. If you're really not sure: stop, take a breath,
a sip of coffee - then reread and check twice more before sending. 
[HINT: I nearly goofed just now before sending this: check that you're not
sending a reply to something on list to someone as a private email and
vice versa.]

It's another useful reason to not always write to the list and cc. to the 
person you're replying to - it's too easy to make a mistake. 

*Don't* copy back to the list because you're aggrieved:, ask the 
community team - off list - if they'd care to take a look. 
The address is community@debian.org.

The main Debian Code of Conduct and the mailing list general code of conduct
are at 

https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct 

and 

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

respectively. 

Enrico Zini's community guidelines are old but good. They're
at https://people.debian.org/~enrico/dcg/

People: The threads over the last few days have not been constructive or
particularly edifying - I'm specifically _not_ going to call out anyone
on list here - see above for why -  but there could have been more mutual
respect shown.

As a member of the Community Team, I've asked my colleagues to have a look:
several people have overstepped the mark here in varying degrees, I think. 
Maybe it will be instructive to come back to the posts of the last few days 
in a week or a month, reread,  and see how the threads make us (all) look?

I was busy yesterday with testing installation media: hey, we got a release
out after just over two years worth of work. Debian turns 28 years old 
tomorrow: there's Debconf 21 on line in just about ten days time: 24th August
onwards

That's good news and positive - can we go with a bit more of that spirit,
please?

All the best to a (sometimes not quite) community here on list, as ever,

Andy Cater

[For and on behalf of the Community Team - copied to community@debian.org
for the team's information].

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moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2021-08-14 22:10 +0200
  Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-15 23:30 +0200
    Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere lou <loushanguan2015@sina.com> - 2021-08-16 03:40 +0200
      Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-16 03:50 +0200
      Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-16 03:50 +0200
        Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-08-16 04:00 +0200
          Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-16 04:20 +0200
            Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere Jeremy Ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-08-16 04:30 +0200
              Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-16 04:40 +0200
              Re: [Going OFFTOPIC ] Harmonic Analysis ( was: moderators, I would  appreciate if you could interfere) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-16 04:40 +0200
          Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-16 18:10 +0200
        Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-16 08:40 +0200
        Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-08-19 17:20 +0200
          Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-19 17:40 +0200
            Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-08-19 18:10 +0200
              Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-08-19 18:30 +0200
              Respect for newbies and new comers [ was : moderators, I would  appreciate if you could interfere ] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-19 19:40 +0200
                Re: Respect for newbies and new comers [ was : moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere ] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-19 20:20 +0200
                Re: Respect for newbies and new comers [ was : moderators, I would  appreciate if you could interfere ] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-19 20:40 +0200
                Re: Respect for newbies and new comers [ was : moderators, I would  appreciate if you could interfere ] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-19 20:50 +0200
                Re: Respect for newbies and new comers [ was : moderators, I would  appreciate if you could interfere ] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-19 23:40 +0200
                Re: Respect for newbies and new comers [ was : moderators, I would  appreciate if you could interfere ] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-20 23:30 +0200
                Re: Respect for newbies and new comers [ was : moderators, I would  appreciate if you could interfere ] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-21 06:00 +0200
                Re: Respect for newbies and new comers [ was : moderators, I would  appreciate if you could interfere ] Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-08-19 22:20 +0200
          Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-19 22:00 +0200
            Re: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-20 08:40 +0200

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