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Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership

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On 2021-07-26 01 h 50, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 07:59:26PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 06:19:37PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>>> Donald Norwood <donald@debian.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Debian and GitLab have been in discussion regarding an Open Source
>>>> Partnership toward which we will jointly produce mutual promotions,
>>>> shared stories, and announcements using both organizations press and/or
>>>> publicity channels.
>>       ...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Out of the blue, without any more context and content,
>>
>> ???
>>
>> "Debian" and "Gitlab" are speaking with each other
>> since the very start of "Salsa".
>>
>>
>>> I am not sure to be happy with this news.
>>
>> To me is the news  that "press" and "marketing" are more involved.
>> Because I assume good faith, I allow meself to focus on other stuff
>> in (Debian) life.
>>
>>  
>>> To me, such a partnership is something quite stronger than sponsorship
>>> and I'd be a bit ill-at-ease with it being done without the whole Debian
>>> Members being consulted.
>>
>> Yes, a DD is allowed to represent the project.
>>
>>  
>>> Last but not least, what kind of data would be shared regarding how we
>>> use gitlab in Debian?
>>
>> Please give the (humble) Salsa admins time to elaborate.
>> I have no insight information about "the data",
>> but imagine (dull??) statistics on accounts, active accounts, projects,
>> active projects.
>> I do trust my fellow Debian Developers to deal wisely with it.
>> For (gory??) details I recomment to join the Salsa admin team.
> 
> To be honest - and to my suprise - we weren't involved in this
> discussions. We don't share any personal data and we won't do that.
> We share rough numbers (numbers of projects, users,
> groups, storage used), but we also do that regulary in talks (at least
> when there were real conferences). 
> 
> Alex - Salsa Admim
I was under the assumption the Salsa Team would somehow benefit from
this partnership in some way (technical help, extra resources, etc.),
but I guess it's not the case. Thanks for clarifying.

I'm not sure I understand what Debian has to gain from this "Partnership".

More media exposure? I don't think we really need it: the Publicity Team
was already doing a great job.

More money? Gitlab is a silver sponsor for DebConf21, but so are ARM,
Ubuntu, HRT, Two Sigma and Globo.

Although I'm happy Gitlab the git forge exists, Gitlab the enterprise
(Gitlab BV) is a for-profit, venture-capital backed entity. If we're OK
partnering with them for more exposure [1], why are we not partnering
with other similar enterprises?

DSA has been using Puppet forever to maintain their infrastructure. Why
not strike a partnership with them?

If anything, I think this muddies Debian's image more than promotes it.
Had Gitlab BV been a non-profit, I don't think this would've been a
problem to me.

:(

[1]: Clearly this is rhetorical, I'm not.

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Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Donald Norwood <donald@debian.org> - 2021-07-25 11:50 +0200
  Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Dominik George <natureshadow@debian.org> - 2021-07-25 14:50 +0200
    Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Agata Erminia Pennisi <agataerminiapennisi@gmail.com> - 2021-07-25 15:20 +0200
      Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Laura Arjona Reina <larjona@debian.org> - 2021-07-25 16:50 +0200
  Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Hanno 'Rince' Wagner <wagner@debian.org> - 2021-07-25 18:00 +0200
    Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Donald Norwood <donald@debian.org> - 2021-07-26 02:00 +0200
      Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Hanno 'Rince' Wagner <wagner@debian.org> - 2021-07-26 08:40 +0200
  Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-07-25 18:40 +0200
    Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Geert Stappers <stappers@debian.org> - 2021-07-25 20:10 +0200
      Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Alexander Wirt <formorer@debian.org> - 2021-07-26 08:30 +0200
        Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2021-07-26 23:10 +0200
          collaboration with Gitlab (was: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership) Laura Arjona Reina <larjona@debian.org> - 2021-07-27 00:10 +0200
            Re: collaboration with Gitlab (was: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership) Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2021-07-27 00:40 +0200
            Re: collaboration with Gitlab (was: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership) Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana <phls@debian.org> - 2021-07-27 14:10 +0200
      Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-07-28 13:10 +0200
    Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Donald Norwood <donald@debian.org> - 2021-07-26 02:30 +0200
      Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-07-26 08:40 +0200
        Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2021-07-26 12:20 +0200
          Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2021-07-26 13:20 +0200
            Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2021-07-26 16:00 +0200
              Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2021-07-26 18:10 +0200
                Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Ansgar <ansgar@43-1.org> - 2021-07-26 21:20 +0200
                Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2021-07-26 22:20 +0200
                Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-07-27 01:10 +0200
      Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-07-28 13:10 +0200
  Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership Micha Lenk <micha@debian.org> - 2021-07-25 21:30 +0200

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