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Re: Ubuntu, part 2

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Ubuntu, part 2
Date 2014-05-08 07:50 -0700
Message-ID <CF90E7C5.36C61%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
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On 5/8/14, 5:54 AM, in article lkfuq2$9tk$1@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

> On 07/05/2014 23:21, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> 
>> Silver Slimer wrote:
> 
>>> I'm wondering if Macs even allow a person to install a BD drive to begin
>>> with.
> 
>> No.
>> The 3rd-party tools available are way below the support linux supplies
> 
>> BD is basically totally unuseable on Macs
> 
> I remember when Apple decided to stop installing optical drives
> altogether saying that people prefer on-line media now.  What I think
> that really means is Apple prefers on-line media as long as people are
> using iTunes and no longer providing optical drives will encourage that.

I and most people I know almost never use our optical media. I use thumb
drives for sneaker net.

I do produce DVDs, though, so when I am making those I need my DVD burner to
test things and to make a master to send to the folks who produce them in
bulk - but that is an edge case. Most people never have that need.

> People DO prefer online media, but I don't believing that any one of
> those people will find the omission of an optical drive to be
> liberating. 

Liberating? It is not needed... but not sure why you would think it is
"liberating"? Odd word for the removal of something few use.

> The way Apple removed not only the optical drives but also
> certain ports people came to rely on is ridiculous. Sure, most people
> won't need a VGA port but maybe on one occasions they'll be forced to
> connect to something which only works through VGA and they'd appreciate
> having it there... and they don't have the time to go out and buy the
> adapter. 

And if Apple included a bunch of stuff people did not need you would whine
they included it just to jack up the price.

> Maybe they DO buy all of their media from iTunes

Woah. Where did you get that? I do not use my optical drive but I use a lot
more than just iTunes. You are getting yourself all confused and thinking
you need an optical drive or you will be forced to use iTunes.

> , but maybe they found a good deal for a CD or DVD they've been looking for
> all of their lives and would have appreciated to be able to rip it.

And maybe they found an old printer with a parallel port. Should Apple
include that, too?

> Call me old school but I enjoy having a plethora of ports on my laptop
> to make sure that I'm equipped no matter what the situation is.

I can understand thinking Apple removes things too quickly - but I also
think history has shown them to be *generally* right. When they removed the
floppy before thumb drives were common and before they had writable CD
capabilities I thought that was a bit silly. No good "sneaker net" solution.


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Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-06 18:11 -0400
  Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-06 17:06 -0700
  Re: Ubuntu, part 2 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 20:39 -0400
    Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 17:44 -0700
    Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-06 21:27 -0400
      Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-05-07 04:21 +0200
      Re: Ubuntu, part 2 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-06 21:00 -0600
        Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-07 08:55 -0400
          Re: Ubuntu, part 2 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-07 15:37 +0100
            Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-07 12:42 -0400
            Re: Ubuntu, part 2 JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-07 14:22 -0500
              Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 13:07 -0700
              Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-07 18:16 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-05-08 00:21 +0200
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 15:28 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-05-08 00:38 +0200
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 16:07 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 16:58 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-07 20:26 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 17:55 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-07 20:23 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 17:56 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-08 10:42 +0100
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-08 07:51 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 17:06 +0200
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-08 08:20 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-08 10:39 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-08 09:57 -0600
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-08 17:18 +0100
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-08 09:20 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-08 18:53 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-09 07:32 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-09 09:17 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 15:28 +0200
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-09 09:32 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-08 08:54 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-08 08:03 -0500
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-08 07:56 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-08 09:59 -0600
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-08 11:57 -0500
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-08 11:14 -0600
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-08 11:57 -0500
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-08 12:07 -0500
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-08 12:15 -0500
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-05-08 12:48 -0500
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-08 19:28 -0500
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-08 21:04 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-09 07:33 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 13:38 +0200
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-09 07:41 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-09 10:42 -0500
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-09 17:25 +0100
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-09 12:47 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-09 17:54 +0100
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-09 12:56 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-09 18:00 +0100
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-09 13:20 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-09 10:24 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 11:23 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-09 10:18 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-12 14:00 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-12 11:29 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-12 17:54 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-09 13:14 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-09 10:19 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-10 00:29 +0100
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-09 16:39 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-10 09:46 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-10 09:09 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-10 23:10 +0100
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-10 15:25 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-10 16:11 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-10 20:06 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-12 13:53 +0100
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-12 21:24 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-09 13:12 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-09 10:20 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-10 00:43 +0100
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-09 16:48 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 16:56 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-10 09:49 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-10 09:07 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-12 13:54 +0100
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-12 08:51 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-09 10:17 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-09 12:55 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-09 10:06 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-05-12 14:02 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-12 20:20 +0200
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-12 11:30 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-09 10:34 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-09 10:44 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-08 18:03 -0400
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-08 17:08 -0600
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-08 19:38 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-08 11:37 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-08 07:50 -0700
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-08 11:53 -0500
                Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 15:27 -0700
          Re: Ubuntu, part 2 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-07 09:35 -0600
            Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-07 13:00 -0400
              Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 10:19 -0700
              Re: Ubuntu, part 2 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-07 11:37 -0600
      Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2014-05-07 17:25 +0100
    Re: Ubuntu, part 2 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> - 2014-05-07 15:16 +0100
      Re: Ubuntu, part 2 Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 10:16 -0700

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