Wiki Debian "Release page" should have template (Was Re: Buster no release file)

From	Robbi Nespu <robbinespu@gmail.com>
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Subject	Wiki Debian "Release page" should have template (Was Re: Buster no release file)
Date	2021-07-20 17:40 +0200
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On 7/11/21 6:44 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> I was going to link you to the DebianBuster wiki page where I had put
> the standard sources.list for buster, but it appears someone doesn't
> want you to have that information.
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster?action=diff&rev2=23&rev1=22
> 
> You can thank the person who goes by the name PaulWise for making your
> Debian wiki a less informative and less useful place.
> 
> I *REALLY* and truly hate assholes like that.
> 

I don't agree calling someone asshole but I  agree with Greg in-term of 
sometimes someone make Debian Wiki less informative and less useful.

This is great example, this is what I see what happening on the time line..

Timeline 1: Greg put useful information 
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster?action=diff&rev1=21&rev2=22

Timeline 2: PaulWise revert the changes as he comment is as unnecessary 
changes https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster?action=diff&rev1=21&rev2=23

On timeline 1 and 2, The class issue are Greg added useful information 
and PaulWise remove it / revert it  (to me it likely want to tidy up and 
make it uniform like others "Debian Release" pages)

Both have own perspective and good attention.

Wiki are great in term of collective information but quite really-ugly 
on deciding which "information" should be put here and which should 
not.. worst, there is no template to follow as far I check. Plus, I 
can't found how to create template on Debian Wiki.

So.. Greg and Paul have clash on something important here. (Too be 
honest, I wish Debian move to Wiki with pull-request approval type 
rather just who-ever have Wiki approved account can do change)

The best solution and improvement are to send report to bug list as 
wishlist's to have a standard template for this "Debian Release" pages 
and this template should have standard sources.list or a link to 
https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList (this wiki page also need 
improvement, IMHO)

I send out this email first. So I can have a link to attach on my report 
bug later. Will replying this thread later with report bugs number, I 
hope this will be useful to prevent issue like this.

Thanks to Greg and Paul for great contribution on Debian Wiki.

p/s: Wiki Debian "Release page" == 
https://wiki.debian.org/Debian<ADD_RELEASE_NAME_HERE>

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Buster no release file kris <kris@dreamwaresystems.com> - 2021-07-11 00:30 +0200
  Re: Buster no release file Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-11 00:50 +0200
    Re: Buster no release file Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-11 02:20 +0200
    Re: Buster no release file rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-07-11 03:30 +0200
      Re: Buster no release file Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-11 03:50 +0200
        Re: Buster no release file Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2021-07-11 09:40 +0200
    Re: Buster no release file mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2021-07-11 11:20 +0200
      Cool down... [was: Buster no release file] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-11 13:10 +0200
        Re: Cool down... [was: Buster no release file] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-11 14:40 +0200
          Re: Cool down... [was: Buster no release file] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-07-11 18:40 +0200
            Re: Cool down... [was: Buster no release file] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-11 20:30 +0200
              Re: Cool down... [was: Buster no release file] Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-11 20:50 +0200
                Re: Cool down... [was: Buster no release file] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-11 21:20 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-11 22:10 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-07-11 22:20 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2021-07-11 22:30 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-11 22:40 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] jeremy ardley <jeremy@ardley.org> - 2021-07-11 23:10 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-12 09:50 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Brian Thompson <brian@hashvault.io> - 2021-07-13 05:20 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-07-14 00:50 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-14 09:00 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-11 23:00 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-12 09:50 +0200
                Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-12 10:20 +0200
                Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]] tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-07-12 10:30 +0200
                Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]] rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-07-12 13:00 +0200
                Re: Useless [Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]] Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-07-12 13:00 +0200
                Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that opensource  means world will read you [ was : Offensive variable names [was: Cool down  ...]] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-07-12 10:20 +0200
                Re: Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that opensource means world will read you "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-12 11:40 +0200
                Re: Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that  opensource means world will read you Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-07-12 12:00 +0200
                Re: Writing angry comments inside code and forgetting that  opensource means world will read you Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2021-07-12 13:20 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Alexandre Garreau <galex-713@galex-713.eu> - 2021-07-12 17:20 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Brian Thompson <brian@hashvault.io> - 2021-07-13 05:30 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-07-12 15:40 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] "Kevin N." <kevin@notscheduled.eu> - 2021-07-12 16:50 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-07-12 17:50 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-07-12 19:30 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-07-12 18:50 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2021-07-12 19:00 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-07-12 23:30 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] "Kevin N." <kevin@notscheduled.eu> - 2021-07-12 19:10 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Brian Thompson <brian@hashvault.io> - 2021-07-12 19:30 +0200
                Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...] Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-07-12 20:10 +0200
      Re: Buster no release file "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-07-11 13:40 +0200
    Re: Buster no release file Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-07-11 20:10 +0200
      Re: Buster no release file Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-11 20:20 +0200
        Re: Buster no release file Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-07-11 21:00 +0200
          Re: Buster no release file <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-07-11 21:10 +0200
            Re: Buster no release file Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-12 18:00 +0200
    Re: Buster no release file Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-11 20:10 +0200
    Re: Buster no release file Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-12 10:20 +0200
      Re: Buster no release file Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-07-12 12:00 +0200
        Re: Buster no release file Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-07-12 13:10 +0200
    Wiki Debian "Release page" should have template (Was Re: Buster no  release file) Robbi Nespu <robbinespu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 17:40 +0200
      Re: Wiki Debian "Release page" should have template (Was Re: Buster  no release file) Robbi Nespu <robbinespu@gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 18:10 +0200

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