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Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

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Eldon Koyle wrote:
> I have noticed a pattern on Debian lists where we see:
>
>    1) a polarizing issue is brought up on the list
>
>    1a) (optional) there is some discussion with a few interesting points
>
>    2) people start arguing (useful debate has ended)
>
>    3) people start using offensive language somehow expecting it to help the
> situation (while also feeling justified in breaking the rules because
> someone else broke a different, "more important" rule)
>
>    4) someone points out the offensive language in #4 is, in fact, against
> the rules
>
>    5) someone claims that the act of pointing out the offensive language
> detracts from the argument^Wdiscussion or human dignity or what have you (I
> think it was actually the decision to break the "lesser" rule)
>
> I would like to propose that we shorten this cycle by simply adding a rule
> to bounce messages to public lists at #3 (ie. those containing language that
> is unquestionably against both the Code of Conduct and the mailing list code
> of conduct) with a message asking the sender to please revise their message
> and links to the relevant documents stating what is acceptable (as if they
> don't already know).  The common belief seems to be that "we are all adults
> here", but we haven't been acting that way.
>
> If there are cries about censorship, I guess we could make the bounce a
> "warning: you are about to break the rules so blatantly that software can
> figure it out in front of the whole internet, do you want to continue?" --
> but I think we should also have more deterrents for breaking the rules in
> this case.
>
Can we just go back to Godwin's law?

Miles Fidelman

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Abusive language on Debian lists Eldon Koyle <ekoyle@gmail.com> - 2021-04-10 02:50 +0200
  Re: Abusive language on Debian lists "Thaddeus H. Black" <thb@debian.org> - 2021-04-10 03:50 +0200
  Re: Abusive language on Debian lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-10 10:00 +0200
    Re: Abusive language on Debian lists Eldon Koyle <ekoyle@gmail.com> - 2021-04-11 10:20 +0200
      Re: Abusive language on Debian lists Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-04-11 11:10 +0200
      Re: Abusive language on Debian lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-11 12:00 +0200
        Re: Abusive language on Debian lists Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2021-04-11 12:30 +0200
          NVC or other Training at DebConf Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-04-11 13:00 +0200
            Re: NVC or other Training at DebConf Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2021-04-11 13:20 +0200
          Re: Abusive language on Debian lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-11 13:00 +0200
            Re: Abusive language on Debian lists Bernd Zeimetz <bernd@bzed.de> - 2021-04-12 00:40 +0200
      Re: Abusive language on Debian lists Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-04-11 12:30 +0200
        Re: Abusive language on Debian lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-11 13:00 +0200
        Re: Abusive language on Debian lists Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2021-04-16 23:20 +0200
          Re: Abusive language on Debian lists Eldon Koyle <ekoyle@gmail.com> - 2021-04-17 05:40 +0200
      Re: Abusive language on Debian lists Eldon Koyle <ekoyle@gmail.com> - 2021-04-11 21:20 +0200
        Re: Abusive language on Debian lists <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-04-11 23:00 +0200
  Re: Abusive language on Debian lists Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2021-04-10 17:10 +0200

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