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Re: VPN ideas

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On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 12:03:33 +0200
Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Ma, 08 dec 20, 17:37:43, Celejar wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 17:00:44 -0500
> > Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 02:48:26PM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 11:44:36 +0200
> > > > Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > ...
> > > > 
> > > > >    Unless you have access to a system on the internet to set up your own 
> > > > >    VPN server you have to rely on (paid) VPN providers.
> > > > 
> > > > There are free ones as well, e.g.:
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.techradar.com/vpn/best-free-vpn
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know how good they are - but then, again, I don't know how good
> > > > all the paid ones are, as well ;)
> > > > 
> > > If something is free, you aren't the customer, you are the product.
> 
> I'd have a reasonable degree of trust in ProtonVPN.
> 
> > A fair point, but an overstatement insofar as you're implying that one
> > *cannot rely* upon a free VPN service. Many people are willing to rely
> > upon free services for at least some of their online activity. After
> > all, Andrei himself is using Gmail (as am I).
> 
> I'm using Gmail to post to public mailing lists or similar. All private 
> correspondence currently goes to a ProtonMail account.

Of course. My point just was that most people are willing to put up
with "being the product" when they consider the cost of "being the
product" to be low ;)

As to ProtonMail, as we've discussed in the past, I'm sort of tempted,
but I'm not willing to give up standards based email, nor am I that
interested in running their proprietary (albeit apparently GPL?) bridge
application.

> I still have my contacts on Gmail, because of the convenient integration 
> with Android, though I'd like to migrate those away as well at some 
> point.

At this point, I pretty much use Gmail only for public list traffic
(although my other email accounts are also with (other) free services).
I keep thinging I really should go with either one of the inexpensive,
dedicated email providers (like Newsguy that John Hasler
often recommends) or a self-hosting solution (but I'm scared of the
apparently enormous hassle necessary to ensure reliable delivery, etc.).

Celejar

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VPN ideas ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2020-12-07 22:30 +0100
  Re: VPN ideas Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2020-12-07 22:40 +0100
    Re: VPN ideas ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2020-12-07 23:40 +0100
    Re: VPN ideas Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 00:50 +0100
  Re: VPN ideas Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2020-12-07 22:50 +0100
  Re: VPN ideas Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2020-12-08 02:00 +0100
    Re: VPN ideas john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2020-12-08 08:20 +0100
      Re: VPN ideas <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-12-08 09:50 +0100
        Re: VPN ideas Alex Mestiashvili <amestia@rsh2.donotuse.de> - 2020-12-08 10:00 +0100
        Re: VPN ideas Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 14:00 +0100
  Re: VPN ideas Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 10:50 +0100
    Re: VPN ideas Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 11:20 +0100
    Re: VPN ideas Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-12-08 13:30 +0100
      Re: VPN ideas Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 11:00 +0100
        Re: VPN ideas Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-12-09 11:30 +0100
          Re: VPN ideas Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 12:00 +0100
            Re: VPN ideas Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-12-09 12:10 +0100
              Re: VPN ideas Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-12-09 15:30 +0100
              Re: VPN ideas Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 16:10 +0100
                Re: VPN ideas Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 18:10 +0100
              Re: VPN ideas Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2020-12-09 16:10 +0100
                Re: VPN ideas Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-12-09 20:10 +0100
                Re: VPN ideas Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-12-10 09:10 +0100
    Re: VPN ideas Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 20:50 +0100
      Re: VPN ideas Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2020-12-08 23:10 +0100
        Re: VPN ideas Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 23:40 +0100
          Re: VPN ideas Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-09 03:10 +0100
          Re: VPN ideas Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 11:10 +0100
            Re: VPN ideas Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 18:00 +0100
              Re: VPN ideas Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-12-10 09:50 +0100
                Re: VPN ideas Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-12-10 18:50 +0100
        Re: VPN ideas <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-12-09 09:50 +0100
          Re: VPN ideas Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2020-12-09 15:30 +0100
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            Re: Loadbearing services Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-12-09 16:40 +0100
              Re: Loadbearing services Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2020-12-09 17:40 +0100

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