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Re: Willingness to share a position statement?

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Le samedi 03 avril 2021 à 15:41:43+0200, Milan Zamazal a écrit :
> >>>>> "SM" == Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> writes:
> 
>     SM> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:26:56PM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
>     >> On Friday, 2 April 2021 11:09:42 PM AEDT Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>     >>> Thanks for arguing for my point: Communism was a beautiful
>     >>> theoretical
> 
>     >>> idea which was implemented by humans and therefore was a
>     >>> miserable fuckup in the end.
>     >>> 
>     >>> I still think the concept is really interesting, but I can't see
>     >>> a working implementation as soon as there are humans who would
>     >>> want to be leaders in such regimes.
>     >>> 
>     >>> I don't see a connection with free speech here, anyway.
>     >> 
>     >> What a nasty disgraceful style of debating you have, Pierre.
> 
>     SM> You might disagree with him, but please stop attacking the
>     SM> person. It's not necessary and only lowers the tone of debate.
> 
> Yes, please.
> 
>     >> You understood very well what I'm saying and I'm is not
>     >> confirming your point. Communism is a bad ideology that does not
>     >> work (and could not work even in theory) - that's why it should
>     >> be "cancelled".  Free speech is a beautiful working practice but
>     >> it is in the way of terrible ideas and that's why they want to
>     >> "cancel" free speech.
> 
>     SM> And other people disagree with you on those points. Please
>     SM> accept that and leave it there?
> 
> Please note that some of us who suffered from communism and got both
> theoretical and practical training in marxism-leninism may be quite

Theoretical, with small "reviews" from the party. Which means not
theoretically accurate at all.

> sensitive to claims that communism was a beautiful theoretical idea or
> putting some kind of equations between communism and freedom of speech.
> I had to hold off myself to not respond to those claims, which were not
> helpful and the intended points could be illustrated in better ways.
> 
> Regards,

I explained in what way I compare both. You may consider it was not the
best way to illustrate my point and I'm eager to take that remark, but
this connection is not, /per se/, absurd.

-- 
Pierre-Elliott Bécue
GPG: 9AE0 4D98 6400 E3B6 7528  F493 0D44 2664 1949 74E2
It's far easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.

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  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-24 13:40 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 17:50 +0100
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              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 00:40 +0100
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            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-25 23:50 +0100
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 23:40 +0100
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      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-04-01 01:20 +0200
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-04-01 11:00 +0200
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            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-04-02 21:00 +0200
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              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-04-03 14:10 +0200
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Milan Zamazal <pdm@debian.org> - 2021-04-03 15:50 +0200
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-04-03 17:40 +0200
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-24 13:40 +0100

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