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Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects

From Philip Hands <phil@hands.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.vote
Subject Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects
Date 2021-03-25 10:50 +0100
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Christian Kastner <ckk@debian.org> writes:

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>   * Someone gets paid to improve Debian

Some packages end up in this situation because there is no need for them
to be in the archive.

If you pay someone to keep them in, you are removing the evolutionary
pressure that ensures that Debian doesn't fill up with dross, so you're
actually paying someone to make Debian worse in that case.

How can one tell the difference between useful stuff and dross?

Given the diversity of use cases that Debian covers, I think the only
way is to allow things to drop out of the archive if they attract
insufficient interest to stay in, be that from volunteers or paid-for
effort funded by interested users.

That way, people that care get to notice the thing dropping out of the
archive, and do something about it ... or not.

If we had a committee deciding which mediocre packages were sufficiently
important to have money thrown at them, we'd effectively block new
enthusiastic volunteers to step up to do the job unpaid, we'd remove any
incentive for users to fund such work directly, and we'd remove a lot of
the incentive for writing a replacement that was better than the things
that nobody wants to maintain.

As Jonas points out, we'd almost certainly also demoralise the fine
people that already maintain loads of rather uninspiring packages, and
cause them to make the problem worse by orphaning those packages.

Cheers, Phil.
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How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2021-03-18 18:50 +0100
  Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2021-03-18 20:40 +0100
    Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2021-03-19 11:40 +0100
      Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Christian Kastner <ckk@debian.org> - 2021-03-19 13:30 +0100
      Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2021-03-19 14:00 +0100
        Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2021-03-19 15:50 +0100
          Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-19 18:00 +0100
      Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> - 2021-03-19 21:00 +0100
    Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2021-03-19 13:10 +0100
      Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2021-03-19 18:00 +0100
        Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2021-03-22 21:50 +0100
          Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2021-03-23 16:10 +0100
            Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2021-03-23 16:20 +0100
              Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-23 16:40 +0100
                Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Gard Spreemann <gspr@nonempty.org> - 2021-03-23 16:50 +0100
                Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-23 17:30 +0100
                Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Christian Kastner <ckk@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 10:00 +0100
                Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2021-03-25 10:50 +0100
                Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-03-24 10:30 +0100
                Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Christian Kastner <ckk@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 09:40 +0100
            Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Christian Kastner <ckk@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 09:40 +0100
              Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 18:40 +0100
    Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2021-03-22 19:40 +0100
      Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-22 20:10 +0100
      Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2021-03-22 20:20 +0100
        Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-22 20:40 +0100
          Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2021-03-22 21:00 +0100
  Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2021-03-18 21:00 +0100
    Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2021-03-18 21:30 +0100
    Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> - 2021-03-19 20:10 +0100
    Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2021-03-21 12:40 +0100
    Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2021-03-22 21:20 +0100
  Re: How to leverage money to accomplish high impact Debian projects Sruthi Chandran <srud@disroot.org> - 2021-03-19 18:30 +0100

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