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Re: Willingness to share a position statement?

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Do we really have to go through this argument *again*?

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:32:31PM +0100, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
>Matthias Klumpp wrote:
>> Inclusivity and tolerance does not mean we have to accept every opinion as equally valid.
>
>Equally valid -- no.
>Legitimate to express -- yes.
>
>I am really worried about the increasing trend (not specific to
>Debian) towards demanding that people who hold "dissenting" opinions
>be removed from their positions, excluded from the public debate, and
>even fired from their jobs, which if universally applied would make
>them unable to earn a living. That is what dictatorial regimes do --
>often while maintaining a facade of freedom: "Nobody is being
>prevented from speaking, we're just making their life miserable
>because we don't like what they're saying". That's exactly what's
>happening with the current political correctness storm. Say one bad
>word and your life might be ruined.

Freedom of speech does *not* mean freedom from consequences.

If you say unpopular, controversial things then it's entirely
reasonable that people around you may evaluate you based on what
you've said. They may decide that they don't want to listen to you any
more. They may decide that they don't want to work with you any more,
or have you in a position of power in a project. Words have power.

Decrying this as a "political correctness storm" is a favourite
argument of the morally bankrupt who want the freedom to spout hate
without being called on it.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
Who needs computer imagery when you've got Brian Blessed?

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Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com> - 2021-03-24 12:50 +0100
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-24 13:40 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-03-24 17:50 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2021-03-24 20:30 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com> - 2021-03-25 21:40 +0100
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-25 22:40 +0100
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-25 23:30 +0100
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 23:30 +0100
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 23:40 +0100
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 00:00 +0100
                Why does Debian Care about the FSF Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 00:20 +0100
                Re: Why does Debian Care about the FSF Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 09:30 +0100
                Re: Why does Debian Care about the FSF Simon Avery <digdilem@gmail.com> - 2021-03-26 23:10 +0100
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 00:40 +0100
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> - 2021-03-26 01:30 +0100
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-25 23:50 +0100
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2021-03-25 23:40 +0100
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-03-27 11:20 +0100
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com> - 2021-03-26 10:30 +0100
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 11:30 +0100
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 17:00 +0100
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2021-03-26 00:40 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Philip Rinn <rinni@inventati.org> - 2021-03-26 00:20 +0100
    Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org> - 2021-03-31 00:40 +0200
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-31 01:00 +0200
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> - 2021-04-01 01:20 +0200
      Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-04-01 11:00 +0200
        Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org> - 2021-04-02 03:10 +0200
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2021-04-02 03:50 +0200
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-04-02 21:00 +0200
          Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-04-02 14:10 +0200
            Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@debian.org> - 2021-04-03 03:30 +0200
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Zlatan Todoric <zlatan@riseup.net> - 2021-04-03 10:30 +0200
              Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-04-03 14:10 +0200
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Milan Zamazal <pdm@debian.org> - 2021-04-03 15:50 +0200
                Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Pierre-Elliott Bécue <peb@debian.org> - 2021-04-03 17:40 +0200
  Re: Willingness to share a position statement? Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2021-03-24 13:40 +0100

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