Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism

From	David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism
Date	2021-02-16 23:40 +0100
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On Tue 16 Feb 2021 at 17:48:25 (+0800), Kevin Shell wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 11:29:54AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Ma, 16 feb 21, 16:37:20, Kevin Shell wrote:
> > > Why Debian does't have a switchable MTA mechanism
> > > to allow install multiple MTAs at the same time?
> > 
> > Why do you need this?
> 
> For convenience when one evaluating or learning
> between multiple MTAs etc.

I don't see the sense in that. It would seem far more sensible to
install one MTA on one host, another on another, and try
interoperating them. After all, that's how they'll ultimately
be used.

> > > Fedora, Centos etc. allow users to install multiple MTAs at the same 
> > > multiple MTAs at the same time.
> > > There's a "alternatives --config mta" command
> > > to allow to choose between alternative MTA.
> > 
> > Installing and removing/purging packages has traditionally been very 
> > easy in Debian, 
> 
> removing/purging one MTA & reinstalling another MTA in the above 
> situation is unnecessary and inconvenient.

I can't see that it's very inconvenient if you save your configuration
files before you change over.

> >such a mechanism would have limited benefits for 
> > significant added complexity.
> > 
> Is this a difficult task?

The "benefits" you have given seem trivial compared with the work in
making software, with the functionality of exim, sendmail etc, coexist.

> Isn't Debian already has a /etc/alternatives/ mechanism?

AIUI all the targets of /etc/alternatives are all installed at the
same time, and can be simultaneously run without conflicting with
each other. The links merely select which target is run (and
documented) by invoking a name, like "www-browser" (→ lynx for me),
"awk" (gawk) or "rename" (the Perl one). I might be running firefox,
mawk and rename.ul (by their specific name) at the same time as the
"default" versions.

Cheers,
David.

Thread

Debian switchable MTA mechanism Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-16 10:00 +0100
  Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Georgi Naplatanov <gosho@oles.biz> - 2021-02-16 10:20 +0100
    Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-16 11:00 +0100
  Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-02-16 10:40 +0100
    Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-16 10:50 +0100
      Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-02-16 11:20 +0100
        Conflicting alternatives (was: Debian switchable MTA mechanism) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-02-16 15:20 +0100
          Re: Conflicting alternatives (was: Debian switchable MTA mechanism) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-02-16 17:10 +0100
            Re: Conflicting alternatives (was: Debian switchable MTA mechanism) didar <nosferatu@purlo.in> - 2021-02-16 17:30 +0100
          Re: Conflicting alternatives (was: Debian switchable MTA mechanism) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-02-16 17:30 +0100
            Re: Conflicting alternatives (was: Debian switchable MTA mechanism) Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2021-02-16 18:00 +0100
            Re: Conflicting alternatives Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-02-16 20:50 +0100
              Re: Conflicting alternatives <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-02-16 21:40 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-02-17 00:20 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives tomas@tuxteam.de - 2021-02-17 09:20 +0100
              Re: Conflicting alternatives David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-02-17 02:20 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-02-17 05:40 +0100
              Re: Conflicting alternatives David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-02-16 23:50 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-02-17 01:30 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-17 13:50 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-02-17 16:30 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-02-17 17:00 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-17 17:10 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2021-02-17 17:30 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2021-02-18 05:40 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-02-18 14:20 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-02-18 14:40 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2021-02-19 05:30 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-02-19 15:30 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-02-20 02:00 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-02-20 14:40 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-02-21 02:20 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-02-21 17:50 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2021-02-22 10:20 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-02-22 11:20 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-22 12:50 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-02-22 15:00 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-22 15:40 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-02-22 18:10 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-02-22 11:40 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-02-17 17:20 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-02-17 17:40 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-02-17 21:40 +0100
                Re: Conflicting alternatives Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-17 23:50 +0100
      Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-02-16 12:40 +0100
        Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-16 13:30 +0100
          Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-02-16 14:40 +0100
            Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-16 14:50 +0100
            Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-16 14:50 +0100
              Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-02-16 14:50 +0100
            Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-02-16 15:20 +0100
      Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-02-16 23:40 +0100
        Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-02-17 02:20 +0100
        Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-02-17 02:20 +0100
        Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-17 00:40 +0100
          Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-17 00:50 +0100
            Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Kevin Shell <kshell@gmx.com> - 2021-02-17 01:00 +0100
  Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Semih Ozlem <semihozlemlinuxuser@gmail.com> - 2021-02-16 15:20 +0100
    Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism IL Ka <kazakevichilya@gmail.com> - 2021-02-16 15:30 +0100
    Re: Debian switchable MTA mechanism Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2021-02-16 15:30 +0100

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