Re: delimiters with more than one character? ...

From	Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: delimiters with more than one character? ...
Date	2020-07-17 13:40 +0200
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 07:13:04AM -0400, rhkramer@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, July 17, 2020 04:45:00 AM Nicolas George wrote:
> > Zenaan Harkness (12020-07-17):
> > > And mount /tmp as ramdisk ftw.
> > 
> > tmpfs is not a ramdisk.
> 
> I'm not the op, but, in what sense do you say that?

People who stress out over that typically fall into two categories:

1) "I don't want my Secret data being written to hardware, because They
   might be able to read it!!  And yes, my favorite color is a Secret.
   Everything I write is a Secret!  You can't be reading this!!"

2) "My disk will DIE if I write to it more than 37 times, so I must prevent
   ALL hardware writes!!"

This is in addition to the regular old anti-temp-filers:

3) "Temp files are evil and messy and I Do Not Like Them!!  But it's OK
   to use sed -i even though that uses a temp file, because I don't have
   to see it.  Yes, I do like the taste of sand.  Why do you ask?"

So, these people (especially the first two) get all worked up about
temp files, and will do incredible contortions and backflips to try
to avoid them.  Often, this breaks their script.  They may not even
care about that.  To some of these people, perceived cleanliness is
more important than the correct behavior of their software.

What they all forget is that *most* of the time, a temp file will never
be written to hardware, even if the file system is ext4 or whatever,
simply because the temp file is so short-lived.  If the program opens
the temp file, uses it, unlinks it and closes it, all within a very
short span of time, the kernel will not have had time to flush the
data to hardware.

That said, if you're writing programs for an environment where you *know*
a RAM-based file system should exist (like Debian with systemd, where
you can use $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR), you should consider using that for
your small temp files.

Thread

delimiters with more than one character? ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-07-14 15:00 +0200
  Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Alex Mestiashvili <amestia@rsh2.donotuse.de> - 2020-07-14 15:00 +0200
    Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-14 15:10 +0200
      Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-07-14 15:10 +0200
      Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Alex Mestiashvili <amestia@rsh2.donotuse.de> - 2020-07-14 15:20 +0200
  Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-14 15:10 +0200
  Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-07-14 15:20 +0200
  Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-07-14 17:30 +0200
    Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 12:30 +0200
      Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-15 14:00 +0200
      Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-07-15 14:30 +0200
      Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Bob Weber <bobrweber@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 14:40 +0200
        Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-15 14:50 +0200
          Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Bob Weber <bobrweber@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 16:20 +0200
            Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-15 16:30 +0200
            Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-07-15 16:30 +0200
            Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-07-15 17:50 +0200
        Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-07-15 15:10 +0200
  Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Bob Weber <bobrweber@gmail.com> - 2020-07-14 17:30 +0200
  Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Alessandro Baggi <alessandro.baggi@gmail.com> - 2020-07-15 17:30 +0200
  Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2020-07-16 12:10 +0200
    Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-07-16 13:40 +0200
      Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-16 14:00 +0200
        Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-16 16:00 +0200
          Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2020-07-17 04:50 +0200
            Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-07-17 10:50 +0200
              Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-07-17 13:20 +0200
                tmpfs is not a ramdisk (was: delimiters with more than one  character? ...) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-07-17 13:30 +0200
                Re: tmpfs is not a ramdisk (was: delimiters with more than one  character? ...) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-07-17 18:20 +0200
                Re: tmpfs is not a ramdisk (was: delimiters with more than one character? ...) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-07-17 20:30 +0200
                Re: tmpfs is not a ramdisk (was: delimiters with more than one  character? ...) Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2020-07-18 07:20 +0200
                Re: tmpfs is not a ramdisk (was: delimiters with more than one  character? ...) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-18 10:40 +0200
                Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-17 13:40 +0200
        Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-07-16 16:00 +0200
        Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Zenaan Harkness <zenaan@freedbms.net> - 2020-07-17 04:50 +0200
      Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> - 2020-07-16 15:00 +0200
  Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2020-08-05 08:30 +0200
    Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-08-05 15:10 +0200
      Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2020-08-06 05:00 +0200
        Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-08-06 13:40 +0200
          Re: delimiters with more than one character? ... John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2020-08-07 03:10 +0200

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