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Re: Installing Buster (improvements)

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On 6/30/20 11:29 PM, Peter Ehlert wrote:
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> On 6/30/20 1:36 PM, Klaus Jantzen wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> today I installed Buster on my laptop.
>>
> It would be very helpful to know which of the many install ISOs you used.

debian-10.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso

>>> As usual it ran very well (at the end). But I would like to suggest 
>>> the follwing improvements to the Graphical install:
>>>
>>> a) At some point the process informed me, that a firmware module is 
>>> missing and asked whether I would like to supply it from a disk, a 
>>> USB stick or from the net. As I had this module from another 
>>> installation on a USB stick I stuck it into the laptop. The install 
>>> process did not even look at it; it was looking only for network 
>>> devices.
>> How do we know that "The install process did not even look at it"? 

I assume it would have told me that the module itself or the debian 
firmware-package (both were on the stick) are not usable, readable or 
something like that.

>>
>> BTW: in the future if you expect the need for firmware I suggest 
>> using one of the many unofficial non-free firmware ISOs.

I know.

I have installed the various versions of debian since 1995(?) providing 
all the partitions, including swap, as required. This time I wanted to 
find out what debian does when you provide just one big partition.

>>>
>>> b) Before I started the installation I defined a partition of 150GB 
>>> on the disk (SSD) for Debian. At some point in the process the 
>>> system informed me that I did not provide a swap partition (I had 
>>> hoped the installation process would allocate that automatically 
>>> from the space provided) and asked whether I want to define that 
>>> partition. 
>> This is normal, you have many options. Sometimes swap is not wanted.
Accepted.
>>> As there was some room left on the disk I was ready to do it. The 
>>> system asked for the data of where that partition should lie in 
>>> terms of 'cylinder/sector/head' (or something like it). Now usually 
>>> I am not concerned with this type of data and even more so as I was 
>>> installing debian on an SSD. As there was no way I could solve this 
>>> problem directly I had to abort the installation, define the swap 
>>> partition and restart the installion process.
>> It is unfortunate that you did not read any of the Debian Wiki 
>> install manuals and tutorials before you started.
>>
>> I suggest you start reading here: 
>> https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual
>>
My point ist that when you have the possibility to allocate the missing 
partition in the process then the information expected from the user 
should be in terms that are generally used in this context: e.g. size, 
free space before/after the new partition. Do you know how much space 
you are talking about when you specify the space e.g. from cylinder  
30312/sector 301/head 45 to cylinder 30800/sector 20/head 4 on an SSD?
>>>
>>> Couldn't that be done more user friendly? Especially in view of the 
>>> fact that I assume  that Graphical Install is not supposed to be an 
>>> Expert installation.
>>>
>> That was a poor assumption. Again, the install manual covers that.
OK, my fault.
>>>
>>> c) When entering the passwords for root and for the user there are 
>>> always two lines: one for entering the password, the other where one 
>>> clicks if one wants to see the password.
>>>
>>> I suggest that these two line be switched: the first  for the 
>>> selection for seeing the password, the second for entering the 
>>> password.  Again a little increase in user friendlyness.
>>>
>> There are tons of ISOs and methods. Best of luck next time.

I have no problem with the "normal" ISOs, like the one I mentioned above.

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K.D.J.

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Installing Buster (improvements) Klaus Jantzen <k.d.jantzen@mailbox.org> - 2020-06-30 22:40 +0200
  Re: Installing Buster (improvements) Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2020-06-30 23:50 +0200
    Re: Installing Buster (improvements) Klaus Jantzen <k.d.jantzen@mailbox.org> - 2020-07-01 14:30 +0200
      Re: Installing Buster (improvements) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-07-01 17:20 +0200
      Re: Installing Buster (improvements) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-07-02 03:10 +0200
  Re: Installing Buster (improvements) "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-07-01 08:30 +0200

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