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Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

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On 6/29/20 9:10 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> Just to be clear... mdadm is NOT raid - it's an admin program for managing
>> linux raid (md) devices.?? And then you need to worry about LVM (logical
>> volume manager), and a network file system on top of them.
> Just to be clear, you are being pedantic bordering on wrong here. This
> is like saying "a hamburger is not ground beef patties, and then you
> need to worry about vegetables and condiments".
>
> mdadm is the administrative interface program for the kernel's md
> subsystem. It is used generically as a synonym for "the kernel's
> md subsystem" because for most people encountering them, they
> are inextricably intertwined.
>
> The kernel's md subsystem manages RAID 0, 1, 4, 5, 6 and 10. It
> also has a non-RAID linear mode, a container abstraction, and a
> fault-simulation mode.

Now who's being pedantic?

And isn't this exactly what I said?  mdadm is an admin program, it 
doesn't perform the raid function.

>
> LVM is completely independent of the md subsystem, and can be
> used with or without it. Some people love it. Some avoid it like
> the plague -- oops. Some avoid it like rational people avoid the
> plague.
>
> Various network file systems are also completely independent of
> the md subsystem.
> ZFS is an integrated data storage system that presents N
> filesystem and partition-equivalent views to the kernel. It is
> independent of and an alternative to md and lvm. It offers a
> semi-integrated NFS and CIFS export facility. Underneath, it
> offers storage options including error-detection, compression, mirroring,
> striping, RAID-5 and -6 style parity, read caching and write
> caching. Only the error detection is mandatory.
>
I'm pretty sure we all know this.  The point is that comparing mdadm to 
ZFS is an apples to oranges comparison.  You don't chose between mdadm 
and ZFS, you chose between ZFS and a stack of software that performs the 
same set of functions.

Miles Fidelman


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Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center echo test <echotest09@gmail.com> - 2020-06-26 20:40 +0200
  Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-26 21:50 +0200
    Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2020-06-26 22:10 +0200
    Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-28 22:50 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Leslie Rhorer <lesrhorer@att.net> - 2020-06-29 08:10 +0200
        Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-30 00:00 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-29 15:20 +0200
        Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-29 23:50 +0200
          Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-30 01:30 +0200
            Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-30 20:10 +0200
              Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-30 21:00 +0200
                Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center elvis <elvis@dogonfire.com> - 2020-07-01 12:50 +0200
                Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-07-01 13:10 +0200
                Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-07-01 14:20 +0200
                RAID stuff [was Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a  dedicated data center] Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-07-01 14:30 +0200
                Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-07-01 14:50 +0200
    Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-29 15:00 +0200
    Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-06-29 17:00 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-29 17:10 +0200
        Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-06-29 17:40 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-06-29 17:30 +0200
        Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-06-29 18:00 +0200
          Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-06-29 18:20 +0200
            Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-06-29 18:30 +0200
              Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-06-29 22:50 +0200
        Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-06-29 18:00 +0200
  Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-26 22:00 +0200
  Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-06-26 22:10 +0200
    Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-26 22:50 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-06-26 23:00 +0200
    Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2020-06-29 15:30 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-06-29 15:50 +0200
        Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-06-29 17:30 +0200
          Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-06-29 17:40 +0200
            Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center MAS Jean-Louis <jean-louis.mas@imag.fr> - 2020-06-29 18:40 +0200
              Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-06-29 19:10 +0200
  Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2020-06-26 22:20 +0200
  Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Leslie Rhorer <lesrhorer@att.net> - 2020-06-27 09:40 +0200
    Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-27 22:10 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-28 01:10 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2020-06-28 02:10 +0200
        Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-06-28 06:00 +0200
          Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-28 06:10 +0200
  Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-27 11:10 +0200
    Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-27 11:20 +0200
  Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-06-28 09:20 +0200
    Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-28 09:50 +0200
    Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center echo test <echotest09@gmail.com> - 2020-06-28 12:40 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-28 21:00 +0200
        Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center echo test <echotest09@gmail.com> - 2020-06-29 19:50 +0200
          Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-06-30 00:30 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-29 09:10 +0200
    Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-28 20:30 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-06-29 04:20 +0200
        Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-06-29 04:30 +0200
    Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-29 09:10 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Alessandro Baggi <alessandro.baggi@gmail.com> - 2020-06-29 09:30 +0200
        Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-29 21:00 +0200
      Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-06-29 09:40 +0200
    Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data  center David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-06-29 22:10 +0200

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