Re: technical terms overhaul

From	deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: technical terms overhaul
Date	2020-06-20 22:50 +0200
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The Wanderer wrote:

> * If you consider white to be normal, then all the rest (e.g., black) is
> considered to be not normal.
> 
> * If you consider male to be normal, then all the rest (e.g., female) is
> considered to be not normal.
> 
> * If you consider right-handed to be normal, then all the rest (e.g.,
> left-handed) is considered to be not normal.
> 
> In reality, of course, in each of those cases there are multiple
> distinguishable things which all fall within the range of what is
> considered "normal".
> 
> There is no inherent reason why the same could not apply to the context
> you cite.

Bingo! Exactly this is the point.

It is not about being black or white. You are mixing the levels of logic to
operate at. You are not above the ontology - that is the given by God or
Nature (as you wish).
Being black or white, male or female is Ontology - you are born like this.

The problems arise at lower levels where we try to meet an agreement what is
normal and not (deontic/epistemic). 

I once did a research how the great minds of the 19th century came to light.

You know how the school system looked like?

1. 2y Latin Grammar
2. 2y Logic
3. 2y Rhetoric

explained
1. You can't talk if you don't know the language
2. Even if you know the language you can not put forward meaningful
statements if you don't know logic
3. even if you know the language and you know logic, you can not lead a
dispute if you do not know rhetoric

I am afraid people miss that a lot. Let me ask you how many of you did have
Logic at school?

Thread

technical terms overhaul Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-06-19 21:20 +0200
  Re: technical terms overhaul Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-06-19 21:40 +0200
    Re: technical terms overhaul Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-06-19 21:50 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-06-19 22:00 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-06-19 22:10 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2020-06-19 22:20 +0200
            Re: technical terms overhaul Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-06-19 22:20 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-06-19 22:20 +0200
            Re: technical terms overhaul Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-06-20 02:40 +0200
              Re: technical terms overhaul Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-20 05:00 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul ghe2001 <ghe2001@protonmail.com> - 2020-06-20 05:30 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-06-20 06:20 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-06-20 09:30 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-20 16:00 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 16:40 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-06-20 21:10 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-20 18:00 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-22 15:50 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-22 19:20 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul Paul Johnson <baloo@ursamundi.org> - 2020-06-22 19:30 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-06-19 23:50 +0200
            Re: technical terms overhaul Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 18:10 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-06-19 23:50 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-19 22:40 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-19 23:50 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2020-06-20 03:40 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul riveravaldez <riveravaldezmail@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 00:00 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-06-20 12:00 +0200
            Re: technical terms overhaul "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-06-20 14:10 +0200
              Re: technical terms overhaul Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-06-20 15:30 +0200
    Re: technical terms overhaul Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-06-20 00:00 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-20 00:50 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 05:50 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-06-21 07:00 +0200
            Re: technical terms overhaul Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 07:50 +0200
              Re: technical terms overhaul Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@rootsland.net> - 2020-06-21 12:20 +0200
  Re: technical terms overhaul fmneto@gmail.com - 2020-06-19 21:50 +0200
  Re: technical terms overhaul Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2020-06-19 22:30 +0200
    Re: technical terms overhaul Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2020-06-19 23:10 +0200
    Re: technical terms overhaul elvis <elvis@dogonfire.com> - 2020-06-20 16:10 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-06-20 18:10 +0200
  Re: technical terms overhaul Paul Johnson <baloo@ursamundi.org> - 2020-06-19 22:40 +0200
    Re: technical terms overhaul Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-06-20 01:10 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 01:30 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 01:40 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 01:40 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2020-06-20 03:40 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 13:30 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-20 14:00 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 17:00 +0200
  Re: technical terms overhaul Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2020-06-19 23:40 +0200
    Re: technical terms overhaul Andrea Borgia <andrea@borgia.bo.it> - 2020-06-20 11:30 +0200
  Re: technical terms overhaul davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-19 23:50 +0200
    Re: technical terms overhaul rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-06-20 01:10 +0200
    Re: technical terms overhaul Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-06-20 01:20 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-20 03:20 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul davidson@freevolt.org - 2020-06-20 04:00 +0200
  Re: technical terms overhaul John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-06-20 03:10 +0200
  Re: technical terms overhaul Ben Caradoc-Davies <ben@transient.nz> - 2020-06-20 03:30 +0200
  Re: technical terms overhaul elvis <elvis@dogonfire.com> - 2020-06-20 16:10 +0200
    Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 19:40 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-20 20:20 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 22:30 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-06-20 20:50 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 22:40 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-06-20 23:20 +0200
            Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 23:30 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 05:40 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-06-21 08:20 +0200
            Re: technical terms overhaul Leslie Rhorer <lesrhorer@att.net> - 2020-06-21 09:40 +0200
              Re: technical terms overhaul "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-06-21 11:10 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 11:40 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-06-20 21:00 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul Francisco Mariano Neto <fmneto@usp.br> - 2020-06-20 21:40 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 22:50 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-06-20 21:40 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 23:00 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-06-21 08:00 +0200
            Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 08:40 +0200
              Re: technical terms overhaul Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2020-06-21 19:50 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 22:10 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-06-20 22:20 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-20 23:00 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 07:50 +0200
            Re: technical terms overhaul rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-06-21 17:40 +0200
  Re: technical terms overhaul Rob van der Putten <rob@sput.nl> - 2020-06-21 12:20 +0200
    Re: technical terms overhaul Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2020-06-21 13:30 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 14:00 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-06-21 14:20 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-06-21 16:50 +0200
            Re: technical terms overhaul Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2020-06-21 17:50 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-06-21 16:20 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 19:00 +0200
            Re: technical terms overhaul The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-06-21 19:10 +0200
              Re: technical terms overhaul Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2020-06-21 20:30 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2020-06-21 21:00 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2020-06-21 22:50 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2020-06-21 23:30 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-21 23:30 +0200
                Re: technical terms overhaul davidson@freevolt.org - 2020-06-21 23:40 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-06-21 19:30 +0200
          Re: technical terms overhaul nemo <moelmoel2714@gmail.com> - 2020-06-23 22:50 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-21 15:10 +0200
        Re: technical terms overhaul davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-21 18:00 +0200
  Re: technical terms overhaul mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 21:30 +0200
    Re: technical terms overhaul John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-06-21 22:30 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-06-21 23:00 +0200
      Re: technical terms overhaul mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-06-21 23:10 +0200

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