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Re: How long will this take?

From Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: How long will this take?
Date 2020-06-10 15:30 +0200
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 1:14 PM Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote:
>
> Anders Andersson (12020-06-10):
> > Too bad if you end up in a routine police investigation and they find
> > child pornography when scanning the disks for deleted files.
> >
> > "Must have been the previous owner" is a valid defense, but I'd rather
> > not end up having to use it.
>
> Ah, but maybe the previous owner had discovered a cheap cure for
> covid-19 and big pharma had them silenced. You would be wiping the last
> traces of their research!
>
> Seriously, first we were talking about hard drives straight from the
> factory in China, making the thread… industrial espionage, I suppose?
> And now we are talking about child pornography found in an unrelated
> seizure.
>
> So, for that to be relevant, you would need that all the following
> conditions to be met:
>
> - the previous owner had child pornography on this disk;
>
> - unencrypted;
>
> - they gave it away their disk in a way that makes it reusable;
>
> - without wiping it themselves;
>
> - cops show up at your door and take the drive to examine it;
>
> - they do it before regular use has wiped it.
>
> That is a fine Drake equation you got here, but maybe not a rational
> justification for spending days wiping a drive.
>
> For any security measure, it is easy to find afterwards a far-fetched
> scenario where it makes a difference. But that is how TV writers work,
> not security. For security, we must first define the attack model, and
> then search for defense. Otherwise we end up barricading the back door
> while the key to the front door is still under the mat.

Except wiping a disk is trivial. Just start the job and come back
later to a clean disk. It's not like you have to wipe it by hand. I do
it routinely before I put a disk to use that's going to be used for a
couple of years.

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How long will this take? Matthew Campbell <trenix25@pm.me> - 2020-06-08 22:30 +0200
  Re: How long will this take? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-08 22:40 +0200
    Re: How long will this take? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-08 23:00 +0200
      Re: How long will this take? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-09 00:10 +0200
        Re: How long will this take? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-06-10 16:10 +0200
          Re: How long will this take? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-06-10 17:00 +0200
          Re: How long will this take? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-10 17:00 +0200
          Re: How long will this take? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-06-11 02:40 +0200
    Re: How long will this take? Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2020-06-09 02:20 +0200
      Re: How long will this take? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-09 09:40 +0200
  Re: How long will this take? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-06-08 22:40 +0200
    Re: How long will this take? Matthew Campbell <trenix25@pm.me> - 2020-06-08 23:10 +0200
      Re: How long will this take? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-06-08 23:20 +0200
  Re: How long will this take? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-06-09 05:10 +0200
    Re: How long will this take? Christopher David Howie <me@chrishowie.com> - 2020-06-09 06:00 +0200
      Re: How long will this take? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-06-09 11:50 +0200
        Fw: How long will this take? Matthew Campbell <trenix25@pm.me> - 2020-06-09 17:40 +0200
        Re: How long will this take? Christopher David Howie <me@chrishowie.com> - 2020-06-10 02:50 +0200
    Re: How long will this take? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-06-10 16:20 +0200
      Re: How long will this take? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-06-10 19:10 +0200
        Fw: How long will this take? Matthew Campbell <trenix25@pm.me> - 2020-06-10 19:20 +0200
          Re: Fw: How long will this take? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-06-11 03:10 +0200
            Fw: Fw: How long will this take? Matthew Campbell <trenix25@pm.me> - 2020-06-11 20:00 +0200
              Re: Fw: Fw: How long will this take? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-06-11 20:10 +0200
                Re: Fw: Fw: How long will this take? Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-06-11 22:20 +0200
                Re: Fw: Fw: How long will this take? "Rick Thomas" <rick.thomas@pobox.com> - 2020-06-13 11:20 +0200
        Re: How long will this take? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-06-10 21:00 +0200
          [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2020-06-10 21:30 +0200
            Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-06-10 21:30 +0200
              Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-06-10 22:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-06-10 22:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-06-10 22:30 +0200
                Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-11 07:30 +0200
                Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-11 07:50 +0200
                Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-06-11 11:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-11 11:40 +0200
                Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-06-11 14:00 +0200
                Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-06-11 14:10 +0200
              Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-06-10 22:00 +0200
            Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-06-10 21:50 +0200
              Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-06-12 04:00 +0200
          Re: How long will this take? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-06-12 04:00 +0200
            Re: How long will this take? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-06-12 14:00 +0200
              Re: How long will this take? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-06-19 04:20 +0200
                Re: How long will this take? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-06-20 00:00 +0200
                Re: How long will this take? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-06-26 15:10 +0200
                Re: How long will this take? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-06-27 00:10 +0200
                Re: How long will this take? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-06-27 03:30 +0200
                Re: How long will this take? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-06-27 05:00 +0200
                Re: How long will this take? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-07-02 03:10 +0200
  Re: How long will this take? David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-06-09 09:10 +0200
  Re: How long will this take? l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2020-06-09 20:10 +0200
    Re: How long will this take? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-06-09 20:30 +0200
      Re: How long will this take? Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2020-06-09 21:50 +0200
        Re: How long will this take? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-06-09 21:50 +0200
      Re: How long will this take? Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2020-06-10 12:50 +0200
        Re: How long will this take? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-06-10 13:20 +0200
          Re: How long will this take? Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2020-06-10 15:30 +0200
            Re: How long will this take? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-06-10 15:40 +0200
              Re: How long will this take? Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2020-06-10 16:00 +0200
                Re: How long will this take? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2020-06-10 16:10 +0200
                Re: How long will this take? Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2020-06-10 22:10 +0200
                Fw: How long will this take? Matthew Campbell <trenix25@pm.me> - 2020-06-10 19:00 +0200
    Re: How long will this take? Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2020-06-09 20:30 +0200
  Re: How long will this take? Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-27 01:40 +0200
    Re: How long will this take? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-06-27 03:30 +0200
      Re: How long will this take? Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-27 03:50 +0200
        Re: How long will this take? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-06-27 20:10 +0200
    Re: How long will this take? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-06-27 10:40 +0200
    On Subject drift [was: How long will this take?] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-27 11:00 +0200
      Re: On Subject drift [was: How long will this take?] l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2020-06-27 11:40 +0200
      Re: On Subject drift [was: How long will this take?] Seeds Notoneofmy <notoneofmyseeds@gmx.de> - 2020-06-27 16:40 +0200
        Re: On Subject drift [was: How long will this take?] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-06-27 18:50 +0200

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