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On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 05:10:18PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 02/09/20 at 13:49 +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> > Hey Lucas
> > 
> > On 2020/09/01 16:05, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > > On 01/09/20 at 15:29 +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> > >> On 2020/09/01 09:14, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > >>> 2. Keeping our important services sanely maintained. Your proposal is to
> > >>> sanitize *.debian.net a bit. I wonder if instead, we should have a list
> > >>> of requirements for *.debian.org that does not include "hosted on a
> > >>> machine managed by DSA". People would then continue to use debian.net as
> > >>> they do currently, but once the service grows to something really
> > >>> useful, it gets a review to ensure that it is maintainable, and can move
> > >>> to the debian.org without necessarily putting more load on DSA.
> > >> That's really a discussion you'll want to have with DSA, and it doesn't
> > >> seem that the project is in a position currently to add any more load to
> > >> the DSA team at this point.
> > >
> > > How does it add more load on the DSA team?
> > 
> > If you intend to make decisions or set up additional policy regarding
> > how debian.org subdomains are used, then you're going to have to involve
> > the DSA with that.
> 
> My understanding is that the current situation is that we have two
> categories of services:
> 
> 1/ official services, under the debian.org domain, hosted on machines
> managed by DSA, where some recommended practices[1] are enforced.
> 
> 2/ unofficial services, under the debian.net domain, where all DDs can
> add their own services, with no control/review. It has happened in the
> past that such services were lost because the maintainer went MIA, or
> the machine was lost, or....
> 
> I think that we agree that the problem you are trying to solve here is
> that some of the unofficial services are important services for Debian,
> and probably desserve more attention from the project. Also, we should
> avoid increasing the workload of DSA.
> 
> What you are proposing is building a team that manages unofficial
> services on the debian.net domain. It might help services maintainers a
> bit, but I'm not sure it really helps the project enforce good practices
> for its services.
> 
> My proposal was to keep debian.net for unofficial services, and instead
> make it easier to promote unofficial services to official services on
> the debian.org domain, by lifting the requirement that they need to be
> hosted on machines managed by DSA (and instead rely on cloud providers,
> for example), and designing a simple review process for candidate
> official services. This process would check things like: is the service
> sufficiently relevant/useful? is there a small team behind the service,
> or is it a one person's job? Is the code available and free? Are there
> critical design issues?
> 
> DSA could of course participate in the review (and it would be great if
> they did), but it doesn't have to be their sole responsibility. And I
> don't think that managing DNS entries for those services would really be
> a huge workload. So I don't see a big increase on DSA's load here...

Speaking as someone who helps (with a small team) to manage
alioth-lists.debian.net which is a bit unusual (it's considered
part of the Debian Project on https://www.debian.org/legal/privacy; it
handles mail for lists.alioth.debian.org) I think your proposal makes
a lot of sense. I'd also add a security and privacy review, and a data
integrity review, to your list.

I can't promise to offer a lot of round tuits in the immediate future, but
I'd be happy to be part of a team running such a process.

Best
Dominic

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Debian.net Team Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2020-08-31 18:40 +0200
  Re: Debian.net Team Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2020-09-01 09:30 +0200
    Re: Debian.net Team Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-09-01 15:30 +0200
      Re: Debian.net Team Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2020-09-01 15:40 +0200
    Re: Debian.net Team Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2020-09-01 15:40 +0200
      Re: Debian.net Team Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2020-09-01 16:30 +0200
        Re: Debian.net Team Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2020-09-02 14:00 +0200
          Re: Debian.net Team Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-09-02 14:20 +0200
          Re: Debian.net Team Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2020-09-02 17:20 +0200
            Re: Debian.net Team Dominic Hargreaves <dom@earth.li> - 2020-09-04 14:00 +0200
    Re: Debian.net Team Noah Meyerhans <noahm@debian.org> - 2020-09-09 23:00 +0200
  Re: Debian.net Team Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-09-01 11:00 +0200
  Re: Debian.net Team Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2021-02-10 22:00 +0100

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