Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]

From	Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED]
Date	2020-09-01 15:40 +0200
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On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 8:05 AM Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 10:29:55AM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > [1] Why people keep insisting in calling those things "folders" is
> >    beyond me. They don't "fold" anything, do they?
>
> It's a Microsoft Windows thing.  Windows presents directories and
> files graphically, and the icon for a directory is a picture of a manila
> folder.  Then to make matters worse, they use the word "folder" in
> their menus and so on ("New Folder").
>
> So you've got multiple generations of people who grew up learning things
> The Windows Way.  Whenever you see someone on this mailing list who
> top-quotes, and calls directories "folders", it's a safe bet they were
> raised on Windows.
>
> Very few people, even veteran Unix/Linux users, actually know where
> the word "directory" comes from.  See, originally, a directory in a
> Unix file system was just a tabular list of filenames and inode numbers,
> like so:
>
> foo.txt       6890
> bar.c         774
> bar.h         775
> Makefile      4583
>
> Of course, the numbers were encoded in binary, not ASCII, and there
> were no newlines afer them, and the filenames weren't space-padded...
> but you get the point, I hope.  That's basically what a directory
> looked like, and for a long time, you could cat one and actually *see*
> it.  (You can't any more.  The kernel and libc forbid it now.)
>
> It's called a directory because it works and looks exactly like a
> telephone directory.  You look up a name in the directory to get its
> inode number, so you can access the data within the file system.
> (And telephone directories are called that because the word "direction"
> is an antiquated synoym for "address".  Directory literally means
> "address book" or "address list".)
>
> If multiple directories have entries with the same inode number, then
> they both refer to the same file.  That's how "hard links" work.  A
> field inside the inode keeps track of how many links are believed to
> exist to each inode, so the file system can determine when it's safe
> to reallocate the file's storage space.  That reference count is displayed
> by "ls -l".  It's the number following the permissions.
>
> Now, try to imagine what happens when people who grew up with the
> knowledge of how Unix directories actually work meet up with people
> who grew up thinking you open a folder by clicking on it with a mouse.
>
> You don't even have to imagine it -- it's happening all around you.
>

Directories go back, even before Windows:  The MSDOS Equivalent to ls is
dir, which I "guess" means "List Directory".

Ah yes, the "Good old days".

Kenneth Parker

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Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2020-08-30 18:30 +0200
  Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2020-08-30 19:10 +0200
    Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2020-08-30 19:30 +0200
      Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2020-08-31 21:20 +0200
        Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2020-08-31 22:10 +0200
          Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2020-08-31 23:00 +0200
            Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 07:50 +0200
            Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-09-01 10:40 +0200
              folders (was Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in  Apache 2? [SOLVED]) The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-09-01 12:50 +0200
                Re: folders (was Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site  in Apache 2? [SOLVED]) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-09-01 16:00 +0200
                Re: folders (was Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site  in Apache 2? [SOLVED]) Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-09-02 11:50 +0200
                Re: folders (was Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site  in Apache 2? [SOLVED]) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-09-02 12:00 +0200
                Re: folders (was Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site  in Apache 2? [SOLVED]) Marek Mosiewicz <marek.mosiewicz@jotel.com.pl> - 2020-09-01 21:10 +0200
              Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-09-01 14:10 +0200
                Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-09-01 15:40 +0200
                Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED] Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 16:10 +0200
                Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED] Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-09-01 15:40 +0200
                Folders [was: Why can't I move the document root for a site in  Apache 2? [SOLVED]] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-09-01 16:00 +0200
              Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] elvis <elvis@dogonfire.com> - 2020-09-01 15:10 +0200
                Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-09-01 15:40 +0200
                Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-09-01 16:10 +0200
                Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-09-01 16:40 +0200
                Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-09-01 16:50 +0200
              Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2? [SOLVED] rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-09-01 16:10 +0200
                Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-09-01 16:20 +0200
                Re: Why can't I move the document root for a site in Apache 2?  [SOLVED] John Crawley <john@bunsenlabs.org> - 2020-09-02 02:30 +0200

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