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Re: Evolution and the RC church

Date 2015-11-06 16:14 -0700
From GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>
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Subject Re: Evolution and the RC church
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On 11/05/15 21:54, Snit wrote:
> On 11/5/15, 9:15 PM, in article n1h9gl$hib$1@dont-email.me, "ronb"
> <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2015 00:23:23 +0000, vallor wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 22:37:41 +0000, ronb wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2015 22:45:57 +0000, vallor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wait, wait -- the RC church doesn't deny that rabbits evolved.  Why
>>>>> should you?
>>>>
>>>> Because the theory of evolution is stupid and it's not really science.
>>>> It's pure circular "reasoning."
>>>
>>> That's not RC dogma.  And I notice you snipped the articles from the
>>> Catholic Encyclopedia that show that to be the case.
>>>
>>>     http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05654a.htm
>>>     http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05655a.htm
>>
>> I know it's not RC dogma -- the Catholic Church doesn't make dogmatic
>> pronouncements on scientific subjects. And I never said it was dogmatic.
>> I was speaking for myself and I stand by what I wrote.
>>
>>> But don't take my word for it -- see what Pope John Paul II wrote in his
>>> encyclical "Truth Cannot Contradict Truth", some of which I have quoted
>>> below.
>>
>> And Pope John Paul II was free to have his OPINION on the subject. As I
>> am free to have my opinion on the subject. Pope Paul II was not speaking
>> _ex cathedra_, nor was he speaking on matters of faith or doctrine --
>> required for infallibility. That's the problem with non-Catholics trying
>> to lecture to Catholics about their Church -- they usually don't know
>> what they're talking about.
>
> Sort of like you when it comes to technology and science. As an outsider who
> does not even care to learn you just make bizarre claims of what is or is
> not a part of, say, science. Just nonsense claims you pull from your rear.
>
>>> Ron, the RC church may have many flaws, but denying evolution isn't one
>>> of them.  It is accepted by the church.  If you're going to use the
>>> argument "The Church has said it, and that settles it", then you need to
>>> defend the things you don't agree with, too -- otherwise, you might be
>>> accused of using your head, and testing, holding fast to those things
>>> you find to be true.
>>
>> I consider the Church's position on evolution to be flawed -- but it's
>> not a flaw in faith or doctrine and, therefore, I'm entitled to my
>> opinion.
>
> You ARE entitled to your opinion... but not your own facts. When you make
> factually incorrect claims, such as saying evolutionary science is not
> science, then you STILL have a right to such a view it is just a factually
> incorrect view.
>
>> It also should be noted that the Church teaches that IF
>> evolution happened, God still created whatever supposedly "evolved" into
>> all things. (Evolution is really too silly for me to take seriously.)
>
> Your lack of understanding does not make it "silly"... it makes YOU silly.
>
> But the more you speak the more it makes sense why you have so many
> imaginary friends. In many ways you are intellectually still a child.
>
>>> ;)  Okay, maybe you saw what I did there, but this is really important:
>>>
>>> Just because you don't understand something, doesn't make it untrue --
>>> that's known as the "argument from incredulity", and seems very
>>> prevalent from people who deny both the observed fact of evolution, as
>>> well as the underlying theory (which describes how the observations came
>>> about).  I strongly suggest you start by reading "Truth Cannot
>>> Contradict Truth", some of which I have quoted below.
>>
>> What makes you think I don't understand "something" (the "just so" theory
>> of evolution, in this case)?
>
> There is no "just so" theory of Evolution. None.
>
>> I understand it, that's why I think it's
>> stupid and not credible.
>
> As with your imaginary friends, you have imaginary science (your "Just So"
> science) which even you find to be stupid.
>
> The fact you create these fictions in your head and find them to be stupid
> speaks volumes about how you see yourself.
>
>> Most people who "understand" evolution, don't have a clue that they just
>> believe on the authority of "scientists" (so- called) and that settles it for
>> them.
>
> Nope... but to the extent that it is true it is true of ALL science. Only
> the experts are, well, experts in it! No different for relativity and
> quantum mechanics (actually likely more since those are less well understood
> by most), or germ theory or the idea that gravity is correlated to the
> square of the distance of a mass. Heck, on that last I admit I have NEVER
> tested it myself. Likely never will.
>
>> It's faith to them, not science.
>
> No more than ANY other are of science and a lot less than your religion.
>
>> Ask someone EXACTLY how a "whatever" turned into a bird or how the first
>> flight feather supposedly "evolved" and they'll give you a blank stare.
>
> I can go into some detail of pre-feathers and the like and even some of the
> evidence for it but I am certainly not an expert in this area. No problem
> admitting it. Does not mean science is faith in the way religion is. That is
> just silly.
>
>> And these are just extremely minor steps in supposed "evolution."
>
> So?
>
>>> And it _is_ an observed fact.  The "theory" is what we call the
>>> scientific method by which we try to describe those observations, which
>>> include the idea of "natural selection".  We know we can affect the
>>> offspring of plants and animals with human-directed artificial selection
>>> -- but because of the order of the universe, _natural_ selection seems
>>> also to work.  (That _does not have to be a materialist idea_, if you
>>> understand what "Logos" -- the divine order -- actually means.)
>>
>> No, evolution -- macro-evolution (which is what people really mean when
>> they say "evolution") is definitely NOT an established fact.
>
> That is not the only think people mean when they speak of evolution. You
> are, again, simply making things up.
>
>> All we have are a few minor adaptations (micro-evolution) that evolutionists
>> gratuitously apply (reduce) to all life. These minor changes apply to color of
>> fur, etc., they don't explain how a seal via evolution (for example)
>> anticipates the need to nurse her young in the water BEFORE ever doing it.
>
> The idea you assume an anticipation of needs is a DEFINITE sign you are
> absolutely, completely clueless about the theory of evolution.
>
>> If she doesn't have the cups it won't work (the pup will drown), don't nurse
>> under water you don't need the "cups." (Whatever they're called.) That's the
>> problem with evolution, it continually has to ANTICIPATE what it will need in
>> the future -- otherwise "evolution" would just be drift.
>
> Your claim of anticipation and planning is completely and utterly contrary
> to what the science. Again, you know NOTHING of the science.
>
>> (There's a reason why Darwin wrote that the eye "made him shudder." -- So many
>> things had to work together yet were supposedly all "evolving" separately. And
>> the eye "evolved" thousands of times. It's just not credible.)
>
> Evolved thousands of times? Huh? Where do you even get this? There are a few
> different forms of eyes that evolved separately but not THOUSANDS! But they
> need to evolve all at the same time... and no planning needed.
>
> Hey, it is sorta like open source. :)
>
>> And, BTW, natural selection "selects" for uniformity, not variety. It's only
>> when intelligence is applied do we get the various breeds of dogs or cows.
>> Left to their own they return to their original state.
>
> Again: you show NO understanding of natural selection. There IS variety in
> nature. Lots of it. The idea that uniformity is what is being selected for
> is just absurd.
>
Well, the only real evolution I see happening today is in regards to the 
huge amounts of Fukushima radiation that is causing plants and fish to 
mutate.  A little bit scary, considering that it is affecting the ocean 
plankton that makes our breathing air.



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                Re: Evolution and the RC church Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 15:53 -0800
                Re: Meta: Take your bigotry elsewhere owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-06 01:34 +0000
                Re: Meta: Take your bigotry elsewhere Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-11-05 20:37 -0500
                Re: Meta: Take your bigotry elsewhere Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-06 09:13 +0100
                Re: Meta: Take your bigotry elsewhere JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-06 09:39 -0600
                Re: Meta: Take your bigotry elsewhere Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-06 09:19 -0700
                Re: Meta: Take your bigotry elsewhere Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-06 06:02 -0500
          Re: Meta: Take your bigotry elsewhere ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 04:06 +0000

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