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Re: fixed position sidebar and small screen/mobile devices?

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 03:58:43 +1100, dorayme wrote:


> Before worrying about what so many different users on different 
> platforms and devices will usefully receive, it might be better 
> to start with a few basics like checking your html at 
> 
> <http://validator.w3.org/>

Sorry, my bad: that's what comes of changing things at 2 o'clock in the
morning :-(
Fixed now.

> In my modern Safari browsers, absolutely nothing shows when your url is
> loaded. FF has more generous error correction, but that is a mixed
> blessing.

Yes, practically the whole page was inside an un-closed comment. Somewhere
I'd picked up an open comment <!-- after my initial <style ...>
declaration and lost the matching close comment --> before the </style>.

> You are concerned with usability and small screens as well as large. So
> why would you have a banner that unnecessarily takes up so much of the
> vital vertical space at the very top of the webpage forcing almost
> everyone to scroll.

I'm planning to shrink it ...

> Have you seen what happens even to your banner when users have a text
> size you are not expecting? Small and your banner material begins to
> disappear! Even worse, what happens in terms of screen real estate
> gobbling when text is enlarged?

It's not text any more: it's a graphic of text. Yes, I know: yuk. But I
couldn't find how to have the banner scale down with the browser window
when it was 'real' text, the way a graphic does. If there is a way I'm
happy to learn it. But that's why the banner was so large in the first
place: to accomodate the text if one shrunk the viewport moderately.

> Why boast the xhtml logo on your site, why would you even if you had
> produced valid markup? (I won't say why use xhtml in the first place?
> <g>)

OK: *I AM A BEGINNER AT THIS*
Someone recommended that particular DTD. I am willing - nay eager - to
learn what the pros and cons of that versus other DTDs are.
As for the W3C valid logo: why not? And it's a handy way for me to check
the page (as long as I remember!)

> In general, try to get the habit of making more fluid and flexible
> designs that do not require so much scrolling, especially horizontal
> (your too wide montage on the contact page could be redesigned to still
> work for people who can't or do not want to have their browsers so wide.
> You could float the individual pics, position them, all sorts of things
> that would enable wrapping but still get the sense of a jumble of
> drinking discussers).

I've set it to width="100%" for the moment. Maybe not so elegant but quick
as I already know how to do that and I haven't yet got my brain around
floating images and that stuff.

 
> Forget for quite a while browser sniffing, see what you can do without
> first.

Any specific help gratefully received.


-- 
John Stumbles

I used to think the brain was the most interesting part of the body
                        - until I realised what was telling me that

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Re: fixed position sidebar and small screen/mobile devices? John Stumbles <john.stumbles@ntlworld.com> - 2011-02-11 19:48 +0000
  Re: fixed position sidebar and small screen/mobile devices? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-02-11 21:49 +0100
  Re: fixed position sidebar and small screen/mobile devices? dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-02-12 10:41 +1100

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