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Re: NOY, did you watch these videos?

From Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx>
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Subject Re: NOY, did you watch these videos?
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Date 2016-03-21 21:48 +0100
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Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. <snicker>

James McGinn, in 
<news:38b06fcb-dd3f-4ea8-8b57-13e0a2da6ccb@googlegroups.com> did 
thusly jump head first into the wood chipper again:

> On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 8:58:09 PM UTC-7,
> Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus wrote:

>> So you deny well-established, empirically-proven science

> Obviously their model is not "empirically proven" dumbass.

Obviously it is, via x-ray spectroscopy as Anders Nilsson used, 
optical absorption spectroscopy, dielectric spectroscopy, diffraction 
methods, models, nuclear magnetic resonance, vibrational spectra, 
thermodynamics and neutron scattering are just some of the methods 
used, James.

<http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/water_methods.html>

Obviously *your* "model not-a-model" is not "empirically proven", 
Dumbass. You've done *no* experimentation. All your fairy tale blather 
is pulled straight from your ass.

> They have their model.

And x-ray spectroscopy as Anders Nilsson used, optical absorption 
spectroscopy, dielectric spectroscopy, diffraction methods, models, 
nuclear magnetic resonance, vibrational spectra, thermodynamics, 
neutron scattering and a number of other methods used.

Whereas your model has the misfiring neurons of a badly broken brain 
backing it up.

> I have a different model.

You have a fairy tale "model not-a-model" with no empirical evidence.

> My model is more sophisticated

No. Your model is more moronic.

> because I understand the importance of symmetry

Liquid water doesn't have "symmetry", James. This has been explained 
to you by people far smarter and saner than you. People who've used 
x-ray spectroscopy as Anders Nilsson used, optical absorption 
spectroscopy, dielectric spectroscopy, diffraction methods, models, 
nuclear magnetic resonance, vibrational spectra, thermodynamics, 
neutron scattering and a number of other methods to determine what 
they knew aligned with reality.

> and the fact that symmetry changes (is variable) with H bonding.

There is no "symmetry" in liquid water, Moron. Soper told you that, 
you continue to deny reality.

> They don't know about this.

Is it a soooper sekret that isn't exposed by x-ray spectroscopy as 
Anders Nilsson used, optical absorption spectroscopy, dielectric 
spectroscopy, diffraction methods, models, nuclear magnetic resonance, 
vibrational spectra, thermodynamics and neutron scattering as those 
far smarter and far saner researchers used, James?

> So they are perplexed by their data which does not match up well with
> what their model predicts.  

It doesn't match up well with reality, James. Because you're 
psychotic.

> Also, as I indicated in the previous thread, that has lead Nilsson to
> transpose the significance of the data: (That is only the first
> discrepancy between my model and Nilsson's.  And it is a big one.

The main discrepancy between Nilsson's empirical observations and your 
"model not-a-model" is that yours doesn't align with reality, James.

> As I'll explain more explicitly below, it means that what he interprets
> as indicative of close proximity I interpret as distance and vice versa.
> * So, my interpretation of minimum and maximum bond strengths are
> transposed compared to this: https://youtu.be/7hGqlEpvODw?t=39m56s )

And that's because you're a moron who doesn't understand that H 
bonding is an electrostatic bonding, which follows Coulomb's Law, it 
decreases as the inverse square of distance, James. That's another 
scientific fact that was discovered by rigorous scientific 
experimentation, whereas your "discovery not-a-discovery" was the 
result of your badly broken brain farting out stupidity.

> Stop acting like a child and pay attention.

Stop acting like a psychotic retard and educate yourself.

> You don't have to agree but you have to make an effort to understand.

No, I don't want to understand your insanity, James. That'd make me as 
insane as you are.

> If you keep throwing hissy fits

Translation: "If you keep drop-kicking my psychotic ass with facts"

> you are never going to comprehend the difference between my model and
> the standard model.  

Sure I understand the difference between your "model not-a-model" and 
the Standard Model... the Standard Model reflects reality, whereas 
your "model not-a-model" reflects the malfunctioning of a brain badly 
in need of meds.

> Be sure you understand first.  There is plenty of time for you to throw
> a temper tantrum later.

Translation: "Those facts and reality hurt my broken little brain."

>>> If you don't understand this then you don't understand my model,

>> That's because your "model not-a-model" doesn't make any sense, Jim.

> You are too impatient--like a child.  You are not willing to work
> through the cognitive dissonance.

The only "cognitive dissonance" going on, James, is your throwing a 
temper tantrum because your "model not-a-model" is being exposed to 
the light of scientific truth, and you can't handle the reality that 
you're a scientific fraud. Your broken brain actively repels reality.

> All I can suggest is that you first settle down and try to explain what
> it is you are not understanding so that I can help you.

I don't understand how you can deny such wide swaths of reality, 
remain so clue repellant and demonstrate your uneducated stupidity on 
a daily basis and *not* consider yourself fully psychotic, James.

> If you don't provide details then I won't know what it is you are not
> understanding.  And stop whining like a child.

You're projecting, James. And whining like a child.

> Just step your way through--maybe re-watch some of the earlier videos. 

I've seen your moronic "explanation", James. It doesn't reflect 
reality. You've done no experiments, you have no model, you have no 
data, you have no empirical evidence, you have no corroborating 
studies, you have nothing but the gaseous vapors emanating from your 
badly overheating brain as it feverishly works to dig its way out of a 
giant stupidity hole... and you're so insane, you've rejected the 
notion of "when you find yourself stuck in a hole, stop digging", and 
instead dig faster.

>>> the underlying assumptions/mechanics of which are explained in my paper.

>> And that's all you have, Jim, is assumptions. 

> That is all they have also, dumbass.

Except all that rigorous and carefully-controlled scientific 
experimentation using x-ray spectroscopy as Anders Nilsson used, 
optical absorption spectroscopy, dielectric spectroscopy, diffraction 
methods, models, nuclear magnetic resonance, vibrational spectra, 
thermodynamics and neutron scattering, James.

Whereas all you have is assumptions, suppositions and blather about 
fairy tale impossible physical processes and a giant sentient sky 
tornado monster with noodly appendages that extend thousands of miles 
through the atmosphere to touch down tornadoes and wreak havoc upon 
the populace.

>>> I'm not saying you have to agree with my model. But it's kind of
>>> ridiculous to dispute my model before you understand it.  It's also
>>> kind of ridiculous to dispute my model based on the fact that it
>>> does not match up exactly with the standard model

>> Your model is disputed because it does not match up with reality, James.

> Without details how can I help you.

Reality... that which has been proven to be real via rigorous and 
carefully-controlled scientific experimentation, as opposed to the mad 
ranting of an uneducated lackwit blathering out fairy tales with no 
connection to reality.

> Or should I just assume you are a complete dingbat that doesn't have
> the slightest idea what is going on here.

You're projecting again, James.

>> they've measured such things empirically via carefully-controlled
>> experimentation

> Then why aren't you presenting that, you fucking moron?

I have. You've run away from it. Here's just a tiny, tiny sampling of 
the studies you'll have to disprove, James:

<http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/ref.html>
<http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/ref2.html>
.... ...
<http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/ref25.html>
<http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/ref26.html>

You'll note there are 100 peer-reviewed papers of rigorous and 
carefully controlled scientific research on each of those pages.

Get to work, James. Or run away from reality again.

>> many years of empirical observation via experimentation, as well.

> Where is it?  Present it.  You can't.  You are a dingbat that
> barely understands what is going on.  You are like a monkey
> with a shiney object.

Awww, look at the retarded monkey bleating out his butthurt. What's 
the matter, Jim? Is reality ruining your little fairy tale in which 
you've painted yourself as the King Of Science, smarter than every 
researcher in the past 250+ years?

You hate being exposed as a scientific fraud, don't you, Jim?

>> You keep making these moronic videos filled with demonstrably false

> If it is "demonstrably false" then you should be able to demonstrate it
> . . . right . . . well.  Where is your demonstration?  

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You've run away from all of them, James, just as you've run from all 
those peer reviewed studies, just as you've run away from addressing 
the massive gaping logical contradictions in your "theory 
not-a-theory", as outlined in my .sig.

> The reality is you are a birdbrain that barely understands any of
> this, or science in general.

Awwww, you're projecting again, James.

-- 

Here, James, at the very least, try to address those tough questions 
which spotlight the logical inconsistencies and contradictions 
inherent in your "theory":

============================================================
Anders Nilsson measured (https://youtu.be/7hGqlEpvODw?t=2156) a 
spectral peak that was not solid-phase nor liquid-phase water, James. 
You claim that water remains liquid-phase upon evaporation. What was 
Anders Nilsson measuring, James? Oh, that's right... gaseous phase 
water, thereby proving that evaporation entails a phase change, 
thereby proving latent heat of evaporation exists, thereby 
*dis*proving a gigantic chunk of your theory, James.

You make a supposition that a "plasma not-a-plasma" is created from 
water due to wind shear, which transports energy throughout the 
atmosphere via wind driven by that plasma. Where does the energy come 
from to create your "wind shear" to create your "plasma not-a-plasma" 
if the "plasma not-a-plasma" cannot exist and thereby "transport 
energy" by driving that wind to create the "wind shear" which creates 
your "plasma not-a-plasma", unless there is "wind shear" to begin 
with, James? Your logic is so twisted you're going in circles. You've 
created a circulus in probando causality dilemma, which utterly 
destroys your theory, James.

According to your "theory", electrostatic attraction *increases* with 
distance (in violation of Coulomb's Law), which means that when an 
electron falls in orbit, it has to *absorb* energy. And that higher 
energy level somehow translates into a *weaker* electrostatic 
attraction. Now let's look at the other side of the coin... the 
electron in orbit would give off energy, rise in orbit, and somehow, 
that *lower* energy level translates into a *stronger* electrostatic 
attraction... how's *that* work, James? Explain how you've not just 
violated the Law of Conservation of Energy on an atomic level.

How do your "jet stream vortices" travel potentially hundreds of miles 
away from your "jet stream / giant tornado in the sky", without 
detection by satellite *or* Doppler radar, and know where and when to 
touch down so they always hit clouds, rather than tornadoes randomly 
appearing out of the clear blue sky, James? Is your "jet stream / 
giant tornado in the sky" sentient, James?

Go on, Jim, tell us... *why* is there a "boundary" between the 
troposphere and the stratosphere... we're waiting, Jim... No answer, 
Jim? Is it because that's where your "sentient jet stream / giant 
tornado monster with noodly appendages" lives, and it likes it that 
way, Jim? Do you need your meds, Jim?

If, as you claim, the jet stream is a vortex, why is the ride while 
inside the jet stream so smooth, James? Have you never ridden in an 
airplane inside a jet stream, James? Is it just that your "sentient 
jet stream / giant tornado monster with noodly appendages" likes its 
back scratched by the aircraft, so it doesn't rip the aircraft to 
shreds, Jim?

Do you not understand that once the air going upward through the 
tornadic funnel reaches the cumulonimbus cloud base above the 
mesocyclone, it spreads out, thus the tornado is strictly a phenomenon 
which happens from cloud base to ground? It does *not* go from the 
ground all the way up through the cloud to the tropopause as you 
claim, James, and it most certainly does not continue for potentially 
hundreds of miles in the upper troposphere to join the jet stream, 
which would make air travel deadly.

Explain why the jets run easterly, whereas the dry line runs N-S, if 
the jets are powering the creation of tornadoes. How is a tornado 
being created hundreds of miles from the edge of the jets, James?

Which direction does air flow from a flame, Jim? Up, does it not? 
That's convection due to temperature-induced density differential, is 
it not? Which direction does air flow from a flame in zero gravity, 
James? Radially in all directions, thereby snuffing out the flame due 
to lack of oxygen. So your claiming that convection doesn't exist 
means you're further claiming that gravity does not exist, and fire 
cannot burn for very long before it is smothered due to lack of 
oxygen. Or were you not aware that convection is a gravity-induced 
phenomenon due to density differential, James?

How does a hot air balloon rise, Jim? That's due to air density 
differential due to temperature differential, is it not? That 
less-dense air is convecting upward. Do you deny this, Jim? Is your 
giant sentient sky tornado monster stretching one of its noodly 
appendages down and gently lifting the hot air balloon, Jim?

How are your atmospheric "water droplets" forming if they're plasma, 
Jim?

Do you not know what the definition of "plasma" is, James?

How is your "plasma not-a-plasma" (which you have admitted is a 
hypothetical construct in a failed attempt to lend your claims even a 
semblance of plausibility) forming if the nuclear binding energy and 
dissociation energy of water are identical, and thus the water will 
preferentially dissociate into hydrogen and oxygen unless hit with an 
extremely energetic laser, Jim?

Where is the energy (equivalent to photons of 103.32 nm wavelength, 
extremely strong ultraviolet, just 3.32 nm away from x-rays... except 
photons with shorter wavelength than 121 nm are absorbed high above 
the troposphere because they ionize air so well) coming from in the 
troposphere to form your "plasma not-a-plasma", Jim?

How is the energy to plasmize your "plasma not-a-plasma" not 
dissociating all water on the planet and killing all life on the 
planet given that the energy *must* be in the troposphere where nearly 
all the water is, and where all life is, Jim?

Now that it's been proven that water molecule polarity doesn't change 
upon H bonding (which would have side effects such as random changes 
in the solvent properties of water... and we know those properties do 
not randomly change, Jim), and in fact the two spin isomers of water 
molecules account for the different H bonding strengths which account 
for evaporation and condensation, do you still contend that your 
implausible claims are workable, Jim?
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Why can't you answer those questions, Jim?

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