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Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C)

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Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> writes:
> On 31-08-2026 15:17, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote:
>> The usual norm of etiquette is [...]
> 
> [...] First of all, his argument has nothing to do with “morals” or
> “ethics” [...]

That’s true — etiquette is rarely a product of moral philosophy, having
more to do with group social dynamics than with metaphysics.

> Sorry -- but as a participant of a debate, it is YOUR responsibility to:
> (a) Note that arguments of an AI may be the product of hallucination;
> (b) Be sufficiently prepared to:
>   (I)  Investigate the claim (if possible);
>   (II) Counter the claim by using your already gathered information
>   and knowledge.
>
> This guy is simply claiming HE IS TOO LAZY TO DO ALL THAT!
>
> If that is the case, you DESERVE to lose your good name and feel
> violated. [...]

It’s unclear to me whether you’re shouting about me, Terry, or Alex
Martsinovich?  The claim of Martsinovich that you’re alluding to is that
people who post AI slop will suffer reputational damage due to their
“laziness”, because the people who read it feel violated.  You seem to
be conflating those two roles.

But, yes, generally speaking, people *are* too lazy to investigate and
counter all the AI claims they receive, just as they are too lazy to
investigate and counter all the claims that appear in their spam.  There
are just too many such claims for that to be practical.  Debates where
all participants are expected to spend their scarce human reasoning
power rebutting AI-generated claims will simply vaporize the moment an
AI slop volcano is directed at them.

And it seems like there are a *lot* of people who agree with
Martsinovich’s point of view; in the poll reported in
<https://writethatblog.substack.com/p/dev-reaction-to-ai-blog-posts>,
78% “stop reading immediately” when they realize they’re reading AI
slop, and 71% “try to avoid the author in the future”.

In case you’re referring to me, at the risk of descending into ego
defense, I did in fact counter six false claims in the original message,
using my already-gathered information and knowledge, exactly as you are
recommending.  So, if that’s what you meant, I think you’ve got the
wrong guy.  But I don’t plan to do that in every case, because it’s
impossible.

Kragen

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Only Forth For Livecheck, No C Terry Porter <techman001@eternal-september.org> - 2026-08-30 03:09 +0000
  writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-08-31 09:17 -0400
    Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) Terry Porter <techman001@eternal-september.org> - 2026-08-31 21:39 +0000
      Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-11 14:30 -0300
        Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) Terry Porter <techman001@eternal-september.org> - 2026-09-12 09:36 +0000
    Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-09-01 07:59 -0400
      Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) marcel hendrix <mhx@iae.nl> - 2026-09-01 13:34 -0400
        Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-09-02 17:08 +1000
        Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-09-02 11:52 -0400
          Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-09-02 20:09 +0200
      Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-01 13:34 -0400
    Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2026-09-07 12:43 +0200
      Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) Kragen Javier Sitaker <kragen@canonical.org> - 2026-09-11 15:31 -0300
        Re: writing style with AI (was Re: Only Forth For Livecheck, No C) Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2026-09-15 19:58 +0200

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