Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C

From	Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C
Date	2011-09-27 02:27 +0300
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Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
> "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> > "James Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:j5o0vd$jqr$1@dont-email.me...
> >> On 09/25/2011 03:43 PM, BartC wrote:
> >
> >>> Are you saying that while an implementation's char type can be signed or
> >>> unsigned, it's isalpha() function assumes unsigned?
> >
> >> Keep in mind that the standard specifies that  fgetc() "obtains that
> >> character as an unsigned char converted to an int", unless it returns
> >> EOF to indicate an error. Those specifications make fgetc() and the
> >> character classification macros good matches for each other.
> >
> > OK, so everywhere you look, it's clear that having unsigned char types is a
> > good idea.
> >
> > So, even if signed chars are not eliminated completely, why are they so
> > popular, given that it is (presumably) the implementation's free choice to
> > choose between signed and unsigned? (At least, the three compilers I have,
> > all have char as signed.)
> >
> > Then signed chars would only ever be used by someone needing a small signed 
> > integer.
> 
> Expressions of type char are promoted to int in most contexts.  If plain
> char is signed, this promotion can be done with a sign extension, which
> is typically quite cheap.  If plain char is unsigned, it might be more
> expensive.  (I don't have more specific information, but it's what I was
> told when I asked a similar question some time ago.)

I suspect those architectures may well live only in Bernsteinian la-la
land.  Quite why the other 100% of the world should care one flying
ferret about expensiveness of operations on such architectures, I'm
not entirely sure. (And I say that as someone who has not used a
mainstream architecture as his primary machine for over a decade. (7
happy years on alpha, 4 happy years on POWER. And most development in
that time done for ARM.))

> I agree that making plain char unsigned would be conceptually simpler.

I'm pretty sure you disagreed with me when I made that suggestion
a while back.

Phil
-- 
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."
-- Napoleon

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A very simple parser with scanf & C pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2011-09-23 07:03 -0700
  Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2011-09-23 18:28 +0100
  Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-23 18:29 +0100
    Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2011-09-23 23:16 +0200
      Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-24 00:09 +0100
        Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2011-09-24 09:32 +0200
  Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-23 21:24 +0100
    Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-23 22:00 +0100
      Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-24 00:04 +0100
        Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-24 00:34 +0100
          Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-24 01:00 +0100
            Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-24 02:42 +0100
              Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-24 12:13 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-24 12:25 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-24 15:05 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-24 14:45 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-24 17:45 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-24 22:21 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-25 00:52 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-25 01:54 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-25 02:51 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-25 12:22 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Gene <gene.ressler@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 01:35 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-09-25 08:41 -0400
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Gene <gene.ressler@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 11:23 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-09-25 19:41 +0300
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-25 19:45 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-09-25 12:10 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-25 20:43 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-09-25 15:55 -0400
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-26 11:07 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2011-09-26 11:40 -0400
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-09-26 12:22 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2011-09-26 21:19 +0000
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-09-26 16:11 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-26 23:26 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-09-26 12:18 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-09-27 02:27 +0300
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-09-27 10:06 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-09-27 21:10 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-09-26 22:59 +0000
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-09-30 05:18 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-30 17:06 +0100
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2011-09-25 18:05 -0400
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-09-25 15:30 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-24 14:01 -0800
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-01-25 11:05 -0500
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-01-31 16:01 -0800
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-01-31 23:47 -0500
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-08 09:21 -0800
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-03-10 15:18 -0500
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-13 15:49 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-03-14 18:56 -0500
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-15 17:37 -0700
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-03-17 00:24 -0500
                Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-21 05:21 -0700
    Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C pozz <pozzugno@gmail.com> - 2011-09-23 23:23 +0200
      Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-09-23 23:53 +0100
  Re: A very simple parser with scanf & C Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 14:07 +0100

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