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Re: Modern computer brochures; military security; then and now ?

From	Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: Modern computer brochures; military security; then and now ?
Date	2015-10-05 12:00 -0700
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Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> writes:
> For some things, the military and/or governments expect multiple
> sources. They don't want to rely on a single source.  So there's that.
> A lot of semiconductors were second sourced, including
> microprocessors.

major uptic of outsorcing and no-bid contracts last decade ...  not just
military industrial complex ... but also other agencies.

How Private Contractors Have Created a Shadow NSA; A new cybersecurity
elite moves between government and private practice, taking state
secrets with them (also references oil rig company that was transformed
into one of the largest defense contractors after former SECDEF and
future VP becomes CEO, including no-bid contracts in Iraq)
http://www.thenation.com/article/how-private-contractors-have-created-shadow-nsa/

along with spreading "success of failure" culture ... immediate success
is far less revenue compared to re-occuring revenue for repeated
failures (sometimes serves up blank page on 1st click and may have
to reload/reclick)
http://www.govexec.com/excellence/management-matters/2007/04/the-success-of-failure/24107/

Head of IBM in the 90s, had been involved in the privaty-equity
industry, and after leaving IBM goes to head up one of the largest
private equity companies ... which then does LBO (private equity)
take-over of company that employs Snowden
http://www.investingdaily.com/17693/spies-like-us/

Private contractors like Booz Allen now reportedly garner 70 percent of
the annual $80 billion intelligence budget and supply more than half of
the available manpower. They're not going away any time soon unless the
CIA and NSA want to start over and with some off-the-shelf laptops,
networked by the Geek Squad from Best Buy. Security clearances used to
be a government function too, but are now a profit center for various
private-equity subsidiaries.

... snip ...

private-equity victim companies are frequently under heavy pressure to
turn revenue every way possible ... the private-equity, for-profit
companies doing outsourced security clearances ... were just filling out
the paperwork ... not bothering to do the (expensive) background checks.

MIC also has for a long time, convention of egregiously low-balling
contracts ... and then when true costs become known ... they claim it
would drastically affect national security to start over.

Corrupt From Top to Bottom
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/03/books/corrupt-from-top-to-bottom.html?pagewanted=1
 ... review of Burton's book
http://www.amazon.com/Pentagon-Wars-Reformers-Challenge-Guard/dp/B00HXY969W/
HBO movie was based on burton's book:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon_Wars
current weapon program examples are that DOD acquisition is still
corrupt from top to bottom.

Burton one of Boyd acolytes ... Boyd posts & refs (I use to sponsor
Boyr's briefings at IBM)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subboyd.html

posts mentioning military-industrial(-congressional) complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military-industrial-complex

This goes into locking in congressional votes for DOD weapons program
(in this case F22) ... which includes parceling out bits & pieces to
every congressional district ... significantly impacting manufacturing
quality
http://nypost.com/2009/07/17/cant-fly-wont-die/

but then they allowed the F22 "to die" when they managed to replace it
with the much more expensive F35 weapons program (using the same
methodology).

and from the navy
http://www.seapowermagazine.org/stories/20151001-mccain.html

Reference to private-equity operations (also) having major Iraq
contractor ... as well as the OPM contractor
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/24/opm-contractor-veritas/

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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  Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-21 14:00 -0500
    Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 20:20 +0000
    Re: Modern computer brochures; military security; then and now ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-21 21:37 +0000
  Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-09-21 17:59 -0500
    Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-22 18:13 -0700
    Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Bill Marcum <bill.marcum57@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 02:04 +0000
      Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-05 07:51 -0700
      Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-05 10:31 -0700
        Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-05 12:39 -0500
          Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-05 13:57 -0400
            Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-05 12:00 -0700
          Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-10-05 21:59 +0000
        Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-05 17:56 +0000
          Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-05 15:57 -0500
        Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-05 14:04 -0400
          Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-05 16:05 -0500
            Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-06 13:14 +0000
              Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-06 08:28 -0500
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2015-10-06 07:23 -0700
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-06 15:04 +0100
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-06 17:49 +0200
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-06 17:38 +0100
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-06 22:49 +0200
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-07 08:12 +0100
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-07 19:37 +0200
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-10-07 14:45 -0500
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-07 23:41 +0200
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 05:14 +0000
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 09:12 +0200
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security; then and now ? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-08 12:26 -0400
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security; then and now ? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-08 16:46 +0000
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-08 16:22 -0500
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-08 20:40 -0700
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 16:47 +0000
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-06 17:13 +0000
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-06 10:40 -0700
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                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-06 15:33 -0500
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-06 14:19 -0700
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-06 17:24 -0700
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-07 10:24 +0000
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-06 23:09 +0200
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                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-06 23:50 +0000
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-06 17:00 +0000
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                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-06 17:00 +0000
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-06 10:46 -0700
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-06 15:51 -0500
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-07 08:29 +0100
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                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-08 20:53 -0400
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                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:51 -0500
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                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-06 23:14 -0400
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                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-07 11:57 -0400
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                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-07 13:35 -0400
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-08 07:00 +0000
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 13:08 +0200
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-08 13:29 +0100
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-08 15:21 +0000
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-08 07:55 -0500
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-08 12:27 -0400
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2015-10-06 12:04 -0700
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-06 16:02 -0500
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-06 22:55 -0400
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security; then and now ? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-07 00:15 -0500
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                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-06 17:26 -0700
                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-06 17:30 -0700
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                Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-07 07:50 +0000
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            Re: Modern computer brochures; military security;  then and now ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-06 17:00 +0000
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