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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: 25 Years: How the Web began |
| Date | 2015-12-28 08:24 -0800 |
| Organization | Wheeler&Wheeler |
| Message-ID | <87poxqczim.fsf@garlic.com> (permalink) |
| References | <8760zrqu20.fsf@garlic.com> <3a355f79-9517-4fac-97c8-277f0105d578@googlegroups.com> |
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: > We forget that many on-line systems of the 1960s required terse > command strings with position dependent operands. This was > necessary to hold down connect time, CPU time, and memory in > interpreting user requests. That kind of stuff was way too > terse for occasional lay users. in the mid-90s, we were asked by the largest airline res system at redoing parts of their system. I went away (with copy of the full official airline guide) and came back 2months later with an implementation for ROUTES (finding the flts that got from ptA to ptB, about 1/4th of system utilization). at the time, standard reservation terminal interface had changed little from the 60s, numerous extremely terse character sequences with manual effort to tie the sequence all together. It ran about 100 times faster and could handle all airlines for all flts for everybody in the world ... which none of the existing implementations could handle ... with a lot of additional features (to handle the whole worlds load would run on ten rs/6000 990s ... a decade later, would fit on cellphone). Part of the issue, was that the design of existing implementation hadn't changed since the 60s ... with various kinds of trade-offs made at that time. Starting from scratch, with 30yrs advances, could make totally different set of trade-offs. One of the differences, was existing implementations had trouble where more than two connecting flts were required. New implementation could handle any number of connecting flts necessary to get between any two points on the planet. Also demo'ed a newer user interface ... that collapsed three seperate arcane interactions into single transaction that would return significantly more information ... which could be sorted by various criteria. Could even display map of the flt(s), overlayed with current weather conditions. some past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#17 Old Computers http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#100 Why won't the AS/400 die? Or, It's 1999 why do I have to learn how to use http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#103 IBM 9020 computers used by FAA (was Re: EPO stories (was: HELP IT'S HOT!!!!!)) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#136a checks (was S/390 on PowerPC?) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#20 Competitors to SABRE? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#26 Disk caching and file systems. Disk history...people forget http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001d.html#69 Block oriented I/O over IP http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#45 Did AT&T offer Unix to Digital Equipment in the 70s? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#49 Did AT&T offer Unix to Digital Equipment in the 70s? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001j.html#17 I hate Compaq http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#0 TSS/360 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#3 News IBM loses supercomputer crown http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#2 Computers in Science Fiction http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#3 Why are Mainframe Computers really still in use at all? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002h.html#12 Why did OSI fail compared with TCP-IP? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002h.html#43 IBM doing anything for 50th Anniv? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#83 HONE http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#83 Summary: Robots of Doom http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#67 Tweaking old computers? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003.html#48 InfiniBand Group Sharply, Evenly Divided http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003c.html#30 diffence between itanium and alpha http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#67 unix http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#3 Ping: Anne & Lynn Wheeler http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003n.html#47 What makes a mainframe a mainframe? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004b.html#6 Mainframe not a good architecture for interactive workloads http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#44 Infiniband - practicalities for small clusters http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004f.html#58 Infiniband - practicalities for small clusters http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#14 Infiniband - practicalities for small clusters http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004l.html#6 Xah Lee's Unixism http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#23 Demo: Things in Hierarchies (w/o RM/SQL) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004o.html#29 Integer types for 128-bit addressing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#26 IBM 3614 and 3624 ATM's http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#85 The TransRelational Model: Performance Concerns http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#22 The Soul of Barb's New Machine (was Re: creat) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005.html#41 something like a CTC on a PC http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005c.html#67 intel's Vanderpool and virtualization in general http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005e.html#47 Using the Cache to Change the Width of Memory http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005f.html#22 System/360; Hardwired vs. Microcoded http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005n.html#44 What was new&important in computer architecture 10 years ago ? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005o.html#44 Intel engineer discusses their dual-core design http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#7 HASP/ASP JES/JES2/JES3 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006d.html#5 IBM 610 workstation computer http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006j.html#6 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006k.html#9 Arpa address http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#4 How Many 360/195s and 370/195s were shipped? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006o.html#18 RAMAC 305(?) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006r.html#18 50th Anniversary of invention of disk drives http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007e.html#52 US Air computers delay psgrs http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#22 Bidirectional Binary Self-Joins http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007g.html#41 US Airways badmouths legacy system http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#41 Fast and Safe C Strings: User friendly C macros to Declare and use C Strings http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007j.html#28 Even worse than UNIX http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#72 The top 10 dead (or dying) computer skills http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#8 nouns and adjectives http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#45 64 gig memory http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#53 Migration from Mainframe to othre platforms - the othe bell? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008i.html#19 American Airlines http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008j.html#32 CLIs and GUIs http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008p.html#41 Automation is still not accepted to streamline the business processes... why organizations are not accepting newer technologies? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#33 IBM touts encryption innovation http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#55 IBM halves mainframe Linux engine prices http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#66 ACP, One of the Oldest Open Source Apps http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#73 Happy DEC-10 Day http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#74 Happy DEC-10 Day http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#80 Happy DEC-10 Day http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#19 Processes' memory http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#52 Article says mainframe most cost-efficient platform http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#42 IBM 3883 Manuals http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#16 Sabre Talk Information? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#81 Hashing for DISTINCT or GROUP BY in SQL http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#17 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#42 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#14 Sabre; The First Online Reservation System http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#43 Sabre; The First Online Reservation System http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#8 Multiple Virtual Memory http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011i.html#77 program coding pads http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#35 Last Word on Dennis Ritchie http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#92 Innovation and iconoclasm http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012c.html#8 The PC industry is heading for collapse http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#70 Disruptive Thinkers: Defining the Problem http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012f.html#7 Burroughs B5000, B5500, B6500 videos http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#23 How to Stuff a Wild Duck http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012k.html#50 1132 printer history http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#16 System/360--50 years--the future? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012n.html#59 history of Programming language and CPU in relation to each http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#13 Should you support or abandon the 3270 as a User Interface? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#1 IBM Is Changing The Terms Of Its Retirement Plan, Which Is Frustrating Some Employees http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#7 From build to buy: American Airlines changes modernization course midflight http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#52 Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#65 Linear search vs. Binary search http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#87 Old data storage or data base http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013n.html#0 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamation made 30yearsagotoday http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#20 Write Inhibit http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014e.html#10 Can the mainframe remain relevant in the cloud and mobile era? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014g.html#54 Has the last fighter pilot been born? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014g.html#101 Costs of core http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#53 transactions, was There Is Still Hope http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014i.html#84 History--error checking in Baudot (5 bit) transmissions http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#34 50th/60th anniversary of SABRE--real-time airline reservations computer system http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#41 50th/60th anniversary of SABRE--real-time airline reservations computer system http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#54 RR songs, was Re: e50th/60th anniversary of SABRE--real-time airline reservations computer system http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#57 RR songs, was Re: e50th/60th anniversary of SABRE--real-time airline reservations computer system http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#58 RR songs, was Re: e50th/60th anniversary of SABRE--real-time airline reservations computer system http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014k.html#29 Power grid groans, blackouts roll through L.A. area as heat wave nears peak http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014l.html#29 IBM 1401 emulation on 360 processors http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#69 RR songs, was Re: e50th/60th anniversary of SABRE--real-time airline reservations computer system http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#75 How Russia's S-400 makes the F-35 obsolete http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#107 crash, restart, and all that, was Your earliest dream? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015d.html#84 ACP/TPF http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#5 Can you have a robust IT system that needs experts to run it? -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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25 Years: How the Web began Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-21 15:08 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-12-22 20:15 -0600
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 19:24 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 23:13 -0500
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-23 07:47 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-23 17:12 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-23 12:13 -0600
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-23 10:34 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2016-01-05 13:27 -0500
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-05 11:25 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2016-01-05 12:34 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-23 12:48 -0500
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 14:42 -0600
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-23 21:25 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-23 18:07 -0600
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-26 21:07 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-27 02:39 -0600
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-27 15:48 +0000
The Source, was: 25 Years: How the Web began danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-12-27 18:19 +0000
Re: The Source, was: 25 Years: How the Web began Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-27 12:53 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-27 10:07 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-02 16:05 -0500
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-01-03 17:17 +1100
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-24 09:41 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-24 11:06 +0100
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-23 10:12 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began tracymnelson@gmail.com - 2015-12-23 12:07 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-24 00:39 +0100
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-23 11:37 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-23 17:18 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-23 13:57 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-23 09:09 -0600
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-24 00:55 +0100
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-24 13:44 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-12-25 05:55 +1100
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-25 15:08 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 06:42 +1100
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-24 20:24 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-24 23:41 -0500
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-24 21:16 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-25 10:46 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-25 13:43 -0500
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-25 07:48 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2015-12-25 10:33 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-25 08:35 +0100
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-24 00:26 +0100
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-23 11:22 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-12-23 11:43 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-27 18:04 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-28 02:51 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-12-27 22:09 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-03 05:27 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-01-03 05:30 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 14:14 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-03 11:05 -0500
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-03 18:08 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-03 22:14 -0600
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-04 04:40 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 16:10 -0500
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-04 21:11 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-04 17:15 -0600
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 04:01 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 04:29 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 05:41 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:46 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 12:24 -0600
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-05 18:57 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-01-05 19:09 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-01-05 17:44 -0600
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2016-01-08 19:19 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-03 20:34 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-28 07:54 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-12-28 16:21 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-12-28 12:39 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-28 13:11 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-28 13:35 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-28 21:43 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-28 15:37 -0600
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-29 04:35 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2016-01-06 21:25 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2016-01-06 21:13 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 19:35 -0500
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-09 21:03 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-01-07 06:41 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-01-07 09:02 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-07 06:41 -0500
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2016-01-09 21:06 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-12-28 04:38 -0400
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-12-28 11:38 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2015-12-28 13:52 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-28 15:46 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-12-28 15:40 -0400
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-28 16:26 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-12-28 15:46 -0400
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-28 12:50 -0800
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-12-29 02:56 -0400
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-12-29 07:56 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2016-01-06 21:40 +0000
Re: 25 Years: How the Web began Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-28 08:24 -0800
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