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Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case.

From Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case.
Date 2014-05-07 11:12 +0200
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Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> writes:

> On 07/05/14 02:16, Snit wrote:
>> On 5/6/14, 4:48 PM, in article bstamjF5fkvU1@mid.individual.net, "Ian
>> Hilliard" <nospam@nospam.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/05/14 13:19,  flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 06 May 2014 10:39:18 +0200, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> When it goes to court, the body of the patent is given no consideration.
>>>>> Courts only consider the claims.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>> The patent system is a mess, we all agree.
>>>> There needs to be a method of protecting investment in developing a
>>>> product but at the same time discourages those who would be
>>>> considered patent trolls.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is the job of the patent office to reject such broad patent
>>> applications. The problem is that the system doesn't work as intended
>>> and so overly wide patents get through. All this does is weaken the
>>> technology companies and make the lawyers richer. Hence, it is a
>>> lose-lose scenario.
>>
>> How would you fix it so companies such as Apple can protect their
>> investments / innovations?
>>
>>
>>
>
> The patent system was designed to protect truly new developments. It was meant
> to be a contract between an inventor and society whereby the inventor provides
> full details of their invention, such that anyone can reproduce the
> invention. In return, society gives the inventor a monopoly on that

Monopoly? LOL. You're such an arse.

It gives him the rights to HIS INVENTION without people stealing it.

He has no monopoly on the market. The market mus adapt or develop in parallel.

> invention. Most patent applications do not provide full details and most are not
> for truly innovative ideas.
>
> Much of what Apple has done is not new. Apple didn't invent the MP3 player, the
> smartphone or the tablet computer. It was only the implementation that was
> better. The patent system was not designed to protect better implementations of
> existing ideas, yet somehow that is exactly what companies are trying
> to do.

Everything is the development of a previous idea. Else you might has
well say nothing is "new and patentable" since you learnt everything at
school.


>
> There is an excellent article by Mark Lemley in the Michigan Law Review
> [Vol. 110:709, p709 titled, "The Myth of the Sole Inventor". What Lemley points
> out is that the great inventors seldom worked in a vacuum. The inventions were
> the product of incremental improvements to available technology.

What rocket science. Only a super brain like you would somehow think that
this is something new. Everyone is aware of that Ian. We dont need your
super sized brain to understand it. On the shoulders of giants and all
that.


>
> By issuing patents, society actually forces different solutions to be
> used.

Which is, in many cases, a good thing.

> Future developments will then be based on the different solutions. If
> these different solutions are suboptimal, then all future development will be
> based on the suboptimal solution. In effect, patents impede progress and do not
> enhance it. I don't know what the answer is, but I think that it should be much
> harder to get a patent.

I think we all agree with that. But it depends on what.

Like Google patenting the "idea" of having a different image on their
search page every day. THAT was a patent? You couldnt make it up.

>
> Ian
>

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Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-03 09:40 -0400
  Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Lusotec <nomail@nomail.not> - 2014-05-03 15:01 +0100
    Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-03 10:07 -0400
      Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Lusotec <nomail@nomail.not> - 2014-05-03 15:53 +0100
        Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-03 11:47 -0400
          Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Lusotec <nomail@nomail.not> - 2014-05-04 00:25 +0100
            Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 01:34 +0200
            Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-03 16:40 -0700
              Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 21:06 -0700
            Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-03 19:47 -0400
              Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 16:56 -0700
              Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Lusotec <nomail@nomail.not> - 2014-05-07 14:19 +0100
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-07 09:35 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 08:18 -0700
            Judge orders troll to "get a clue" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-03 20:44 -0400
              I Think I Pissed Off Chris Ahlstrom. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-03 20:47 -0400
        Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-03 12:45 -0400
          Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 12:43 -0700
          Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-06 07:35 -0500
        Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-05 12:55 -0500
          Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-05 11:49 -0700
            Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-05 16:42 -0700
    Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-03 13:09 -0700
      Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 13:55 -0700
      Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-03 15:28 -0600
    Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-05-04 17:17 +0200
      Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-04 08:27 -0700
        Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 09:09 -0700
        Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-05-04 19:21 +0200
          Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-04 10:47 -0700
            Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-05-04 20:10 +0200
              Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-04 11:37 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzin@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 11:52 -0700
              Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-04 15:14 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-04 15:19 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-05-04 21:43 +0200
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-04 15:45 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-05-04 20:13 +0000
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-04 16:15 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 14:05 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-04 15:37 -0600
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-04 17:42 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-04 19:04 -0600
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-05-05 01:12 +0000
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-04 16:05 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-04 16:07 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-04 13:15 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-04 15:36 -0600
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-04 14:54 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Lusotec <nomail@nomail.not> - 2014-05-04 23:26 +0100
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-04 15:42 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 17:23 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-04 20:17 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 17:22 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-04 19:02 -0600
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2014-05-04 19:01 -0600
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-04 18:53 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 21:20 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-04 12:59 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Lusotec <nomail@nomail.not> - 2014-05-04 23:05 +0100
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-04 15:24 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-05-05 16:13 +0200
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-05 08:46 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-05-06 10:39 +0200
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 07:19 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 09:04 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-06 09:56 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-05-07 01:48 +0200
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 17:16 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Ian Hilliard <nospam@nospam.org> - 2014-05-07 10:12 +0200
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 11:12 +0200
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 08:21 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-05-07 14:17 -0500
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 12:40 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 13:05 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-06 20:41 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 18:32 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-05-07 11:22 +0000
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-07 09:08 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. 	flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-07 09:16 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 08:16 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Silver Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-05-07 12:29 -0400
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 10:17 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 08:31 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-07 08:31 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-07 12:56 -0700
                Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-06 08:52 -0700
      Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-05-04 13:14 -0400
        Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-04 10:51 -0700
          Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-04 13:29 -0700
  Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2014-05-03 09:03 -0700
  Re: Judge orders Samsung to pay Apple $119 Million in patent case. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-05-03 13:00 -0700

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