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Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work?

From	Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work?
Date	2021-07-11 13:58 -1000
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Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> writes:
> What also didn't run was FORTRAN-E, that was so full of bugs
> that we had to withdraw it, and eventually we had to drop the entire
> OS (Release 13) and go back to Release 11. The next OS that
> we installed was Release 15 (or was it 16?), by which time
> 1100 bugs had been corrected !!

os/360 release 13 was 1st (2nd?) with MVT ... we had skipped from
release 11 directly to 14 ... then to combined release 15/16.

boeing huntsville had got a duplex 360/67 for tss/360 to drive 2250
graphic CAD work ... tss/360 never came to production fruition ... so
they tried running os/360 MVT (as two separate 360/65s) ... but as
mentioned here
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011d.html#73
the primary justification for moving all 370s to virtual memory was that
MVT storage management was so bad ... that regions typically had to be
four times larger than actually used (typical 1mbyte 370/165 was
nominally limited to four concurrent regions) ... going to virtual
memory (16mbyte virtual address space) could increase the number of
regions by factor of four with little or no paging.

MVT storage management disaster increased the longer jobs ran ...  and
long running 2250 graphic CAD work was nearly impossible. So boeing
huntsville added some virtual memory support to MVT (starting with
release 13) ... didn't do any paging ... the amount of virtual memory
was same as real storage ...  but it addressed the enormous MVT storage
fragmentation problem for longer running jobs ... being able to reorg
addressable memory to create contiguous storage locations (aka part of
the same reason motivating moving all 370s to virtual memory).

first os/360 sysgen I did after being hired fulltime at the univ was
release 9.5 (mentioned upthread). Then for release 11, I tore apart
stage2 sysgen deck and reorganized all the cards to optimize placement
of files and pds members for optimized arm seek (and PDS directory
multi-track search) ... and stared doing as much as possible new system
build in production job stream (instead of stand-alone starter
system). Most notable thing I remember about release 15/16 is formating
disk, you could specify the cylinder location for vtoc (instead of
always cyl0, requiring seek to vtoc/cyl0 for any file lookup)
... allowing placement of vtoc in the middle of files on both sides
... cutting avg arm seek distance for high activity vtoc operations.

Then before I graduate, Boeing hires me fulltime into a small group in
the CFO office to help with formation of Boeing Computer Services (move
all dataprocessing into independent business unit to better monetize the
investment, including offering services to non-Boeing entities). I thot
Renton datacenter was possibly largest in the world ... something like
$200M-$300M in 360s (majority fortran engineering/scientific work)
... when I was hired, 360/65s were arriving faster than they could be
installed, boxes constantly being staged in the hallways around the
machine room.

Machine room did have one 360/75 that did some classified work. When
classified work was running there was black rope around the perimeter of
the system complex with guards stationed at corners ... and heavy black
velvet cloth draped over the front console lights and the 1403 printer
front window and rear stacker.

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-06-16 11:59 -0700
  Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2021-06-16 16:08 -0400
    Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-06-26 12:40 -0700
      Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-06-26 15:14 -0600
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        Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-06-28 17:28 -0700
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        Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-06-29 12:55 -0700
      Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-06-28 17:28 -0700
        Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-06-29 13:04 -0700
          Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-06-29 21:33 +0000
            Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-06-30 11:44 -0700
            Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-01 11:40 -0700
          Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-06-30 11:44 -0700
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                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2021-07-01 05:12 +0000
                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2021-07-01 06:28 +0000
                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-07-01 13:28 +0100
                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2021-07-03 01:19 +0000
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                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? undefined Hancock-4 <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> - 2021-07-01 11:34 -0700
                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-01 15:56 -0700
                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-07-01 20:57 -0700
                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-07-02 23:28 +0000
                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2021-07-02 18:26 -0700
                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2021-07-05 13:39 -1000
                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2021-07-03 18:40 -0700
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                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2021-07-10 17:13 -0400
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                Re: iBM System/3 FORTRAN for engineering/science work? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2021-07-11 13:58 -1000
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