Re: writing a c program to substitute text

From	Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: writing a c program to substitute text
Date	2017-02-27 01:46 +0000
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Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:

> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 11:53:30 PM UTC, David Brown wrote:
>> On 26/02/17 23:53, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>
>> > Generally people think that C is unsafe because they are used to
>> > languages where strings are higher-level objects.
>> 
>> That's one possibility.  Most people thing "C is unsafe" because they 
>> don't know much about it, or how to write safe code - and they know that 
>> some people write unsafe C code.
>> 
>> > And in C terms
>> > that means, "guaranteed to be on the heap".
>>
>> That is complete nonsense.  Putting something on the heap is never safer 
>> in any way than having it local to a function or statically allocated. 
>> And in particular, the safest strings are those that are constants that 
>> are fixed in the program - string literals.
>>
> No, the only way to make objects safe is to have a rigorously controlled
> memory model for them.

You are in danger of talking at cross-purposes.  Your idea of a safe
object is one that is safe regardless of what is done with it.  David's
view of a safe object is one that is (or maybe can be) used safely.

Without a discussion about what it means for a language, program or
object to be safe or unsafe, there will be little chance of
mutual understanding.

<snip>
-- 
Ben.

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writing a c program to substitute text fred flintstone <fred@server.invalid> - 2017-02-26 04:14 -0800
  Re: writing a c program to substitute text fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-02-26 04:55 -0800
  Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-26 14:28 +0100
    Re: writing a c program to substitute text fred flintstone <fred@server.invalid> - 2017-02-27 03:58 -0800
      Re: writing a c program to substitute text Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-27 13:11 +0000
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-27 13:33 +0000
          Re: writing a c program to substitute text scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-02-27 17:12 +0000
            Re: writing a c program to substitute text BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-27 17:59 +0000
              Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-27 19:05 +0100
              Re: writing a c program to substitute text scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-02-27 18:37 +0000
                Re: writing a c program to substitute text Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-27 11:40 -0800
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2017-02-27 16:03 +0100
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text fred flintstone <fred@server.invalid> - 2017-03-01 05:33 -0800
          Re: writing a c program to substitute text "D. Aaron Sawyer" <aaron@110.net> - 2017-03-01 10:32 -0400
            Re: writing a c program to substitute text fred flintstone <fred@server.invalid> - 2017-03-01 06:59 -0800
              Re: writing a c program to substitute text Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-03-01 15:24 +0000
                Re: writing a c program to substitute text fred flintstone <fred@server.invalid> - 2017-03-02 01:47 -0800
                Re: writing a c program to substitute text Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-03-02 11:05 +0000
      Re: writing a c program to substitute text jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2017-02-27 13:33 +0000
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-27 09:10 -0800
          Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-27 19:07 +0100
            Re: writing a c program to substitute text jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2017-02-27 18:23 +0000
      Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-27 14:46 +0100
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-02-27 09:27 -0500
          Re: writing a c program to substitute text GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 15:28 +0100
            Re: writing a c program to substitute text James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-02-27 09:38 -0500
          Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-27 15:44 +0100
            Re: writing a c program to substitute text James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-02-27 10:36 -0500
            Re: writing a c program to substitute text Anglican <h.toms@qmul.ac.uk> - 2017-02-27 15:50 +0000
              Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-27 17:13 +0100
              Re: writing a c program to substitute text Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-02-27 16:30 -0800
          Re: writing a c program to substitute text fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 07:08 -0800
            Re: writing a c program to substitute text fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 07:20 -0800
              Re: writing a c program to substitute text fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 07:24 -0800
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2017-02-27 16:00 +0100
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-27 09:22 -0800
          Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-27 19:11 +0100
      Re: writing a c program to substitute text John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 15:41 -0800
        solved Re: writing a c program to substitute text fred flintstone <fred@server.invalid> - 2017-03-02 01:25 -0800
          Re: solved Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-03-02 11:28 +0100
          Re: solved Re: writing a c program to substitute text Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-03-02 10:54 +0000
            Re: solved Re: writing a c program to substitute text Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2017-03-02 15:28 +0100
              Re: solved Re: writing a c program to substitute text Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-03-02 14:51 +0000
            Re: solved Re: writing a c program to substitute text John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 14:18 -0800
              Re: solved Re: writing a c program to substitute text Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-03-02 23:55 +0000
                Re: solved Re: writing a c program to substitute text fred flintstone <fred@server.invalid> - 2017-03-14 18:32 -0700
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-04-17 07:04 -0700
    Re: writing a c program to substitute text jladasky@itu.edu - 2017-02-27 13:48 -0800
      Re: writing a c program to substitute text fred flintstone <fred@server.invalid> - 2017-02-27 14:16 -0800
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-28 08:47 +0100
          Re: writing a c program to substitute text fred flintstone <fred@server.invalid> - 2017-02-28 01:59 -0800
            Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-28 11:39 +0100
            Re: writing a c program to substitute text Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-02-28 12:03 +0000
              Re: writing a c program to substitute text BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-28 13:33 +0000
                Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-28 14:43 +0100
                Re: writing a c program to substitute text BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-02-28 13:59 +0000
                Re: writing a c program to substitute text fred flintstone <fred@server.invalid> - 2017-03-01 04:26 -0800
      Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-27 23:29 +0100
      Re: writing a c program to substitute text Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-27 15:10 -0800
  Re: writing a c program to substitute text Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-02-26 06:42 -0800
    Re: writing a c program to substitute text Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-02-26 16:54 +0000
      [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 00:56 +0800
    Re: writing a c program to substitute text Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-26 13:36 -0800
      Re: writing a c program to substitute text Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-02-26 14:53 -0800
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-27 00:53 +0100
          Re: writing a c program to substitute text Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-02-26 17:30 -0800
            Re: writing a c program to substitute text Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-26 17:44 -0800
            Re: writing a c program to substitute text Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-27 01:46 +0000
              Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-27 09:29 +0100
                Re: writing a c program to substitute text Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-02-27 02:12 -0800
                Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-27 13:11 +0100
    Re: writing a c program to substitute text fred flintstone <fred@server.invalid> - 2017-02-27 04:41 -0800
      Re: writing a c program to substitute text Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-02-27 05:04 -0800
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-02-27 13:25 +0000
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-27 09:56 -0800
  Re: writing a c program to substitute text "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-02-27 01:00 +0800
  Re: writing a c program to substitute text "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-02-26 18:55 -0500
    Re: writing a c program to substitute text fred flintstone <fred@server.invalid> - 2017-02-28 04:20 -0800
      Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-28 14:38 +0100
        Re: writing a c program to substitute text Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-28 08:33 -0800
          Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-28 19:38 +0100
            Re: writing a c program to substitute text Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-28 11:40 -0800
              Re: writing a c program to substitute text David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-02-28 21:03 +0100
            Re: gcc optimization levels Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2017-02-28 22:55 +0100
      Re: writing a c program to substitute text "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-02-28 11:43 -0500
      Re: writing a c program to substitute text Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-02-28 08:46 -0800

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